[Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
Charlie Baldwin
mgcharlie at comcast.net
Tue Oct 16 07:04:31 MDT 2018
From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but
it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the
chassis number there.
On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
> So Charlie,
>
> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front
> shock tower.
>
> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's. They
> had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights,
> reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower
> rear axle. They DID have the wood dash and of course the larger
> engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.
>
> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>
> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations. When they first
> came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and
> rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door
> handles.
>
> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>
> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two
> front and two rear.
>
> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>
> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>
> This should clear things up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net
> <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car
> with that chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s have the
> chassis number stamped on the right front shock mount? So it may
> be titled with the wrong chassis number. That is a greater
> concern to me than being the wrong color or having poorly fitting
> seat covers. The poorly stamped chassis number plate could be
> part of the issue also.
>
> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought
> that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts
> lights. Then I figured it was just an error on the year they put
> on the title. But this is much more serious an issue since the
> chassis number does not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it
> definitely looks like one.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>> FWIW...
>>
>> Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
>>
>> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also
>> brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered
>> convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare
>> option to have leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the
>> top of my head, but it may have been less than 5%. I will check.
>>
>> <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars (England).
>> Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with
>> leather seats -- “Leather trim for seats, armrest and rear
>> folding squabs” was listed as an available option for BJ8's.>
>>
>> For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly
>> a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as such it would have had the
>> single plastic side lights up front and also in the rear, with
>> reflectors instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
>> lights?
>>
>> From the 2018 Guidelines...
>>
>> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher
>> unit with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in
>> profile (Lucas type 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) _31337_ (B)
>> 76137.
>>
>> Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
>> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper,
>> were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. _31336_ (B)
>> 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704). With that car,
>> the upper reflectors were replaced with separate turn-signal
>> lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and
>> the lower lights were replaced with tail/brake lights with red
>> plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars
>> were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>
>> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front
>> wing wheel opening? The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and
>> the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the right rear
>> wheel opening. Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't know?
>> The left front opening looks much better.
>>
>> All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any
>> criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high
>> bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall
>> good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin
>> <mgcharlie at comcast.net <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
>> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it
>> was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't
>> want to credit/blame them.
>> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not
>> very well as someone else mentioned.
>>
>>
>> > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers at ec.rr.com
>> <mailto:sbyers at ec.rr.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Charlie Baldwin: strange that I never received your
>> original message via the list (yet).
>> >
>> > Yes, I have the car in the registry. One previous owner
>> recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then
>> restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.
>> >
>> > Steve Byers
>> > HBJ8L/36666
>> > BJ8 Registry
>> > AHCA Delegate at Large
>> > Havelock, NC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
>> <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
>> > To: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>> >
>> > Not MGB, but 'champagne.' Was that an original color?
>> This one came
>> > from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?
>> >
>> > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift
>> lever bent, or
>> > is it an illusion? And the fluid reservoir spoils an
>> otherwise nice
>> > engine bay presentation. Nice car, nonetheless.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
>> > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the
>> auction, but
>> > > apparently didn't make reserve. I think the hammer price
>> was
>> > > $67,500. Comments anyone? Steve Byers, is this one in
>> your register?
>> > >
>> > >
>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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