[Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

Charlie Baldwin mgcharlie at comcast.net
Tue Oct 16 07:04:31 MDT 2018


 From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but 
it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the 
chassis number there.


On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
> So Charlie,
>
> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front 
> shock tower.
>
> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.  They 
> had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, 
> reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower 
> rear axle.  They DID have the wood dash and of course the larger 
> engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.
>
> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>
> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they first 
> came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and 
> rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door 
> handles.
>
> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>
> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two 
> front and two rear.
>
> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>
> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>
> This should clear things up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net 
> <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car
>     with that chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s have the
>     chassis number stamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may
>     be titled with the wrong chassis number.  That is a greater
>     concern to me than being the wrong color or having poorly fitting
>     seat covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number plate could be
>     part of the issue also.
>
>     When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought
>     that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts
>     lights.  Then I figured it was just an error on the year they put
>     on the title.  But this is much more serious an issue since the
>     chassis number does not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it
>     definitely looks like one.
>
>     Charlie
>
>
>     On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>>     FWIW...
>>
>>     Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
>>
>>     Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also
>>     brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered
>>     convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare
>>     option to have leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the
>>     top of my head, but it may have been less than 5%.  I will check.
>>
>>     <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars (England).
>>     Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with
>>     leather seats -- “Leather trim for seats, armrest and rear
>>     folding squabs” was listed as an available option for BJ8's.>
>>
>>     For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly
>>     a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as such it would have had the
>>     single plastic side lights up front and also in the rear, with
>>     reflectors instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
>>     lights?
>>
>>     From the 2018 Guidelines...
>>
>>     <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher
>>     unit with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in
>>     profile (Lucas type 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) _31337_ (B)
>>     76137.
>>
>>     Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
>>     beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper,
>>     were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. _31336_ (B)
>>     76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car,
>>     the upper reflectors were replaced with separate turn-signal
>>     lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and
>>     the lower lights were replaced with tail/brake lights with red
>>     plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars
>>     were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>
>>     Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front
>>     wing wheel opening?  The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and
>>     the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the right rear
>>     wheel opening.  Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't know? 
>>     The left front opening looks much better.
>>
>>     All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any
>>     criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high
>>     bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall
>>     good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Curt
>>
>>     On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin
>>     <mgcharlie at comcast.net <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
>>         Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it
>>         was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't
>>         want to credit/blame them.
>>         It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not
>>         very well as someone else mentioned.
>>
>>
>>         > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers at ec.rr.com
>>         <mailto:sbyers at ec.rr.com>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never received your
>>         original message via the list (yet).
>>         >
>>         > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner
>>         recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then
>>         restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.
>>         >
>>         > Steve Byers
>>         > HBJ8L/36666
>>         > BJ8 Registry
>>         > AHCA Delegate at Large
>>         > Havelock, NC
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > -----Original Message-----
>>         > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
>>         <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
>>         > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
>>         > To: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>>         > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>>         >
>>         > Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an original color? 
>>         This one came
>>         > from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?
>>         >
>>         > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift
>>         lever bent, or
>>         > is it an illusion?  And the fluid reservoir spoils an
>>         otherwise nice
>>         > engine bay presentation.  Nice car, nonetheless.
>>         >
>>         > Bob
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
>>         > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the
>>         auction, but
>>         > > apparently didn't make reserve.  I think the hammer price
>>         was
>>         > > $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is this one in
>>         your register?
>>         > >
>>         > >
>>         https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
>>
>>         > >
>>         > >
>>         >
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