[Healeys] Starters and Generators; was Re: Starting a BJ8

[Oudesluys]

Hear, hear!!
Kees Oudesluijs


Op 19-12-2016 om 22:10 schreef Patrick & Caroline Quinn:
>
> Hello
>
> I have recently had the starter rebuilt for our 1948 Healey. Apart 
> from the bolt plate it’s the same as fitted to the 100 BN3 and other 
> early Austin-Healeys.
>
> Beforehand it was very sluggish and I was thinking of fitting a geared 
> starter or even twin 12v batteries. However once serviced with new 
> brushes, a little machining of the commutator and a good clean it’s 
> now spinning like a top and the engine starts immediately I press the 
> button.
>
> British cars have been using Lucas products since the beginning of 
> motoring. It is excellent equipment and the DHMC was highly successful 
> at Le Mans, Sebring etc with cars fitted with Lucas electrics. The 
> answer of course is proper maintenance as you would do with the rest 
> of the car.
>
> Hoo Roo
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains, Australia
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Michael MacLean
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 December 2016 5:45 AM
> *To:* Bob Spidell; healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Starters and Generators; was Re: Starting a BJ8
>
> Going to pickup my starter from the re-builder today.  I am going to 
> ask him about the bushing and oiling it or not.  When I dropped it off 
> last Thursday he checked it out for me first.  He said it was weak.  
> Maybe he is not used to Lucas starters. It is still going to look weak 
> after he re-builds it. It is definitely not a gear reduction kind of 
> speed.
>
> Mike MacLean
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2016 8:43 AM, Bob Spidell 
> <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     re: "If I am not mistaken there is a small hole in the back plate
>     of the
>     dynamo (and starter?) to lubricate the bronze bush now and again."
>
>     You are not mistaken.  There also is supposed to be a felt pad
>     between
>     the oiling hole and the bushing; mine didn't have this pad and from
>     dutifully oiling the bush--probably over-oiling it--the inside of my
>     generator became oil-soaked.  When I opened it up to do just the
>     maintenance Kees described I saw that the field coil
>     insulation--just a
>     cloth wrap, basically--had seriously deteriorated; probably at least
>     partly from all the oil.  My only choice was to send it to a 'pro'
>     rebuilder; who replaces the armature and field coils as a matter of
>     course.  He says he installs an oillite-type bush that doesn't need
>     extra oiling.
>
>     I rebuilt my starter years ago and used silicone lubricant on the
>     Bendix
>     mechanism.  I like this stuff because it doesn't seem to attract dirt
>     like petroleum oils do.  Moly/graphite sounds like a good idea too.
>
>     Bob
>
>
>     On 12/19/2016 1:45 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
>     > You generally do not have to have it rebuilt to improve
>     performance.
>     > It is just a matter of maintainance. If taken care of properly they
>     > perform well and last forever.
>     > Just cleaning up often does the trick. It is an easy job. Clean the
>     > inside using e.g. a spray can of brake cleaner but be careful with
>     > some strong solvents in case they dissolve the shellac of the
>     > windings. Just clean up the commutator with 400 grade sandpaper, or
>     > better skim the commutator on a lathe, cut the insulator between
>     the
>     > copper segments with a narrow (ground flat sides) hack saw blade to
>     > about 1/2mm below the surface if needed, inspect/clean/renew the
>     > brushes (when the commutator has been skimmed), oil the bronze
>     bushes,
>     > clean the bendix thoroughly and lubricate with molybdenum/graphite
>     > powder rubbed in on the shaft and it should be fine for the next 25
>     > years minimum.
>     >
>     > By the way, more or less the same goes for the dynamo, although
>     there
>     > is a chance that you may have to renew the bronze bearing bush
>     at the
>     > back and the ball bearing at the front. If I am not mistaken
>     there is
>     > a small hole in the back plate of the dynamo (and starter?) to
>     > lubricate the bronze bush now and again.
>     > Many years ago I used to modify dynamo's to take a ball bearing
>     at the
>     > back.
>     >
>     > No need for an often short lived modern geared starter.
>     > Kees Oudesluijs
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
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