[Healeys] Missing under Load

Thu Jun 4 07:57:11 MDT 2015

Kees--

No doubt you are right.

Now if I can just figure out a way to shut down the ignition systems of the
other cars with which I am racing I will be a consistent winner!

Best--Michael Oritt

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Oudesluys <coudesluijs at chello.nl> wrote:

>  I would not be surprised at all if ECU's from nearby modern cars can be
> affected.
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
> Michael Oritt schreef op 4-6-2015 om 15:37:
>
>  What Michael says is true.
>
>  Here's another one that happened with my Elva Courier race car:  Once
> while getting ready for a race weekend I switched distributor caps from one
> that had suppression leads to another that  solid core wires.  As soon as I
> started the engine the electro-magnetic field managed to turn my video cam,
> which was hard-wired into the car's 12VDC, off and on randomly.
>
>  As an experiment I powered the cam from a separate battery and even
> though it was about 10 feet from the car with no wires whatsoever
> connecting it to the car the electromagnetic field created by the ignition
> system still took control of the cam.
>
>  As soon as I switched back to suppression leads the issue went away.
>
>  Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>  Although I use them myself I do have one caution regarding the use of
>> solid core ignition wires.
>>  As Michael Oritt discovered in Targa Newfoundland they can play havoc
>> with electronics. We encountered problems with our "wired" intercom and
>> Terratrip rally meter which immediately vanished when we reverted to
>> suppressor leads.
>>  I have also found that my cell phone will not receive messages or even
>> do GPS navigation while the engine is running in #174 which has completely
>> original 62 year old Lucas ignition components.
>>  Michael S
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Simon Lachlan <
>> simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>  Not 100% sure what you mean by “the advance curves are retained”. In
>>> the 123 you can choose your advance curve.
>>>
>>> And I’m sure one of the built in choice approximates to the original.
>>>
>>> And yes(!), I too have a complete Lucas dizzie in my boot. The correct
>>> rotor arm, decent old Champion plug caps, bumble bee copper wire. Fitted
>>> with a Pertronix. Points also carried on longer expeditions. Belt and
>>> braces!!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 07:33
>>> *To:* Simon Lachlan
>>> *Cc:* Bob Spidell; Healey list
>>>
>>>  *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves are retained
>>> and also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in the boot is easy for
>>> a backup.  I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full lucas dizzy with
>>> attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case.  Call me strange.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan <
>>> simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or get a 123Ignition distributor.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Bob
>>> Spidell
>>> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 06:09
>>> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree across-the-board.   Had same problem with suppressor wires;
>>> installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> re: "Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics."
>>> Why?  Does he recommend blood-letting and trepanning for headaches?  I know
>>> Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but disagree with the points
>>> recommendation.  Name a modern manufacturer--they of the 100K mile
>>> tuneups--that recommends points?  Have (probably) 80K miles on
>>> Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded wires--with no ignition issues
>>> (save the occasional well-known bad rotor).  If you like changing points
>>> every 5K miles, fine, but it's not the solution to every ignition problem.
>>>
>>> You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can find one), stranded
>>> copper wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good plugs,
>>> and a quality rotor.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>>>
>>>  If you are running suppressed modern wires into your standard Lucas
>>> cap, you can have huge problems, as the graphite type materials they use in
>>> these don't like connecting to the screw connector in the Lucas cap .  You
>>> need to use metal core wires, such as bumble bee wire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also did you check distributor shaft wobble?  If your dizzy bushes are
>>> worn, and you have excessive wobble, you could also be having similar
>>> problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lastly, check internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make sure
>>> it is all kosher.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay <050.rpl at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Took the BJ8 out today.  Changed the plug wire to #6 (there was a
>>> visible spark last night).  The car struggled big time  Had to change
>>> rotors every 3 miles in order to get the car home.  Driving along and all
>>> of a sudden backfire, black smoke, nothing.  Changed the rotor (it was
>>> noticeably hot) and got another 2 or 3 miles out of it.  Looked tonight in
>>> the dark and the visible spark from number 6 plug was not there.  Talked to
>>> Jeff with Advanced Distributors and he suggested it was plug wires.
>>> Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics.  At his
>>> suggestion, I checked the ohm reading on the plug wires and they checked
>>> out OK.  Still wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add a product called
>>> “Heat.”  Supposed to absorb any water that may be in the gas tank.  Not
>>> much help, so far.
>>>
>>> I’m waiting for the plug wires and distributor cap from Moss Motors to
>>> show up to install them.  Hope that helps but not really convinced it’s the
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?
>>>
>>> Price Lindsay
>>> 67 BJ8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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