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I really like the color coded idea, and agree with Honourable Leader: =
Mr. P should get paid for his efforts. I'm willing to hold out for a =
color coded PDF or whatever electronic creation comes up.
Having spent the last 2 - 3 weeks trying to follow an enlarged version =
of a B/W VW schematic, the thought of a color-coded schmatic makes me =
all a pitter patter. Following them dern little black lines has led to =
a few "talking to my Creator" moments!
FWIW, if we had such a creation, the "end user" wouldn't even have to =
print it at home. Most of these copy places will have you email it to =
them, they'll directly print whatever size you want (with my eyes, I'm =
going for 12 x 18 FEET), and have it laminated for you, by the time you =
go pick it up.
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Allen Bachelder=20
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens
Perkins,
I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be =
paid for your time and effort. If you could hang a price tag on the =
completed item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive the =
PDF file once they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the =
list who just want to kick in enough that you would be comfortable =
distributing it to all. What works for you?
Thanks!
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:
Rick and Allen:
As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring =
diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will =
allow. Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either =
8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix the problem =
with the wiper motor wiring that is in the factory shop manual.
Perkins
On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
Allen et al.,
Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams from =
the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could produce =
a workable digital image. Then anyone could print and laminate their =
own from the digital file. =20
If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might =
want to use a better scanner though.
Let me know if you want a digital scan.
--Rick
On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns =
arose which I promised to address about a week ago. I apologize for the =
delay, but my past week has been memorable for its interruptions. =20
Two questions:
1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or =
would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the =
Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and maybe some choices =
would have to be made, but did somebody volunteer that they could =
provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either laminated or suitable for =
lamination? If you are not such a person but have access to equipment =
that could produce same, for a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales =
of two of these from the get-go. I know we discussed this at some time =
but cannot recall how we left it.
2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago, =
and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution center =
(somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be able to expect a supply of =
new windscreens. Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us =
who either need one or would buy one as a spare should they become =
available. Once again, any new information about this would certainly =
be welcome. I know the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a =
shipment of windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here in the US of A. =
I suspect a good many of those of us of the Varitone persuasion would be =
cheered to find a stash of these bits available in North America, but I =
wouldn't wish this task on Steve again for anything. So... can anybody =
report anything new on this concern?
Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!=20
Holiday Cheers,
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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diagrams=20
and windscreens</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Perkins,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should =
be paid=20
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completed=20
item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive the PDF =
file once=20
they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the list who just =
want to=20
kick in enough that you would be comfortable distributing it to all.=20
What works for you?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV>Allen<BR>
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<DIV>On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>Rick and Allen:<BR> =
As I'm=20
sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring diagram in =
Visio and=20
color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will allow. =
Then output=20
it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 =
by 17=20
paper. We could even use this to fix the problem with the =
wiper motor=20
wiring that is in the factory shop manual.<BR> =20
Perkins<BR><BR>On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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cite=3Dmid:9F7BE024-72B1-496F-85BD-38F5D0EEE581@lpl.arizona.edu=20
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<DIV>Allen et al.,</DIV>
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<DIV>Regarding (1): I would be happy to scan the wiring =
diagrams=20
from the shop manual. My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but =
it could=20
produce a workable digital image. Then anyone could print =
and=20
laminate their own from the digital file. </DIV>
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<DIV>If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you =
might want=20
to use a better scanner though.</DIV>
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<DIV>Let me know if you want a digital scan.</DIV>
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<DIV>--Rick</DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV=20
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a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns =
arose=20
which I promised to address about a week ago. I apologize =
for the=20
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interruptions. =20
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<DIV>1.) Is there somebody in our noble band who either =
could or=20
would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for =
the=20
Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and maybe =
some=20
choices would have to be made, but did somebody volunteer that =
they=20
could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either laminated =
or=20
suitable for lamination? If you are not such a person but have =
access=20
to equipment that could produce same, for a PRICE of course, I =
can=20
guaranty you sales of two of these from the get-go. I =
know we=20
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it.</DIV>
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<DIV>2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two =
ago, and=20
somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution =
center=20
(somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be able to expect a =
supply of=20
new windscreens. Is there a follow-up story here? There =
are=20
those of us who either need one or would buy one as a spare =
should=20
they become available. Once again, any new information =
about=20
this would certainly be welcome. I know the nightmare =
Steve=20
Hanegan went through to land a shipment of windscreens and =
rear=20
Varitone glasses here in the US of A. I suspect a good =
many of=20
those of us of the Varitone persuasion would be cheered to =
find a=20
stash of these bits available in North America, but I wouldn't =
wish=20
this task on Steve again for anything. So... can anybody =
report=20
anything new on this concern?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Many thanks to anybody who can =
contribute to=20
this conversation!=20
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<DIV>Holiday Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>Allen<BR>
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