----- Original Message -----
From: <bwarner@mediaone.net>
To: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx@q1.net>
Cc: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com>; R. John Lye
<rjl6n@server1.mail.virginia.edu>; <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: "Were Raced"?and Vintage Racing
> Ted Schumacher wrote:
> >
> > Greg Solow wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe that part of the essence of "Vintage Racing " is the
> > > preservation of historically significant cars. It should also be for
the
> > > preservation of any real race cars from the era that we want to
designate as
> > > significant.
> > > So if you can show that a car was really raced in a certain form with
a real
> > > sanctioning body, then I would say that it would be fair to race it
that
> > > way. Fender flairs certainly change the appearance of a car. Whether
they
> > > improve or detract may be a matter of personal opinion, but I don't
think
> > > that they alone are going to make a significant diference in a cars
> > > performnance. What bothers me are Dry sumped engines, oversize valves,
> > > oversize carburators (like MG-Bs with 2 inch SU carbs, they should
run the
> > > 1 3/4 inch carbs that were optional in the mid 60's), oversize
engines,
> > > super lowered suspensions, altered suspension pickup points and
radically
> > > altered geometry. Also non original transmissions, like datsun 5
speeds in
> > > so called "sprites".
> > >
> > > Regards, Greg Solow
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: R. John Lye <rjl6n@server1.mail.virginia.edu>
> > > To: <fot@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 6:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: "Were Raced"?and Vintage Racing
> > >
> > > > At 08:21 AM 9/23/99 -0500, Jack W Drews wrote:
> > > > >Thanks for the breath of fresh air. My car is almost 1967 legal and
> > > > >I'm proud of it.
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >> Greg Solow (or was it Stewart) wrote:
> > > > >> My personal preference would be for the SCCA rules in force
in the
> > > 1967
> > > > >> GCR be used as a guideline for car preparation.
> > > >
> > > > I'm no longer involved with vintage racing, so maybe my opinion
> > > > doesn't really matter. However, I do have a bit of a problem with
> > > > this simple solution - and that is during that time frame, the SCCA
> > > > wasn't the only game in town. There were several non-SCCA race
series,
> > > > especially in California I am told, that used slightly different
> > > > preparation rules. So, insisting on 1967 SCCA legality is actually
> > > > re-writing history by dis-allowing some "correct" vintage cars.
> > > > For example, my TR-4 has steel flares that, according to the story
> > > > told by a previous owner, were installed on the car in 1965 and it
> > > > was raced that way in non-SCCA races in California. The stricter
> > > > vintage clubs would make me take those flares off the car, even
though
> > > > they are, in fact, historically correct for that car in that time
frame.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > John Lye
> > > >
> > > > '59 TR-3A, '62 TR-4, '70 GT-6+
> > > > email: rjl6n@virginia.edu
> > > > homepage: http://avery.med.virginia.edu/~rjl6n/homepage.htm
> > > >
> > this has been a great dixusion. what we all need to remember is not
> > that many cars were raced in the time period most groups use as a
> > shutoff point. if all vintage race events were limited to cars that had
> > actually been raced at a given time period, there would be SMALL fields
> > and 1 or 2 car classes. vintage events by the major sanctioning bodies
> > such as hsr, svra, etc are for profit events. they have only a passing
> > interest in "love of the sport". without large fields, no revenues. no
> > revenues = fewer events and so on. also, there is obviusly a fairly
> > large cottage industry that has sprung up in the vintage race market.
> > service groups, parts suppliers, etc. point is without thecars that
> > have been "built" to be vintage racers, this form of motorsports would
> > be relegated back to a sport for the few. ted
> > --
> > Ted Schumacher
> > TS Imported Automotive
> > 404 Basinger Rd.
> > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
> > Ph. 800/543-6648 USA/Canada FAX 419/384-3272 24 hour
> > Ph. 419/384-3022 - tech./general information
> > Web page http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
> > New-Used-Rebuilt-NOS-Performance British car parts.
> > 200 - 300 parts cars in our British-only salvage yard.
> Ted has hit the nail on the head. Dan Davis of Vintage Motorsport and I
> were discussing this very thing this afternoon. It ain't a lot of fun
> going to Savannah knowing that in the TR-6 I'll be racing against the
> Brumos Porsche 914-6 which pumps out about 260 HP, with carbon fiber
> body panels, 935 brakes and ......get this folks.....a Hewland gearbox.
> The old Group 44 car is pretty much the same as it was in 1975, except
> that instead on fiberglass flairs on steel, we made all fiberglass.
> Why? Because I'd get clipped by someone about every third race
> (including Mid-Ohio this year). It makes for easier repairs. We use
> Webers instead of the injection (advise from Bob T and Lanky) and ran
> the modified SU's....or were they Strombergs...I forget....anyway they
> had parts of both inthem.....a special design by Brian Fuerstenau....and
> we could not keep them in sync. The car has a Mazda Alternator.....the
> old generator was undependable. On the other hand, we can't get
> cantilever tires anymore, so we run a tire 3/4" narrower than what they
> ran in 1975.
> I don't have a problem with mods that add to the dependability, but I do
> have a problem with building brand new "vintage" race cars. Face
> it....if you brought back a 1966 tech inspector, nothing would pass. It
> has to be a balance of originality and dependability. Additionally, I
> am not sure how one drives 8/10ths. One drives carefully, but how is
> that measured? These arguments will go into the next generation. Go,
> have fun, but if you must win at all costs, go to the SCCA and run
> Nationals.
>
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