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RE: [TR] A different sort of a brake master cylinder leak

To: <Dave1massey@cs.com>, <jimhearn1@comcast.net>, <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] A different sort of a brake master cylinder leak
From: "Jim Bauder" <jimbpps@cox.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:02:30 -0700
"Don't scrimp on brakes."   AMEN!! Excellent advice for both the work and
procedures!

Jim
Jim Bauder
'68 TR250, CD47L
TR web site: http://www.triumphowners.com/647
Scottsdale, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-triumphs@autox.team.net
[mailto:owner-triumphs@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dave1massey@cs.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:56 AM
To: jimhearn1@comcast.net; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] A different sort of a brake master cylinder leak


In a message dated 11/14/2006 9:11:45 PM Central Standard Time,
jimhearn1@comcast.net writes:
> I believe that the leak I have from my '74 TR6 brake master cylinder is
> simply leaking where the reservoir attaches to the master cylinder because
> the fluid is all the way up to the base of the reservoir.  What sort of
> gasket material should be used for this or is it not smart to make a
gasket?
> If this is the case and I lower the fluid level enough to remove the
> reservoir and replace the gasket without letting air into the cylinder, I
> would think that I shouldn't need to bleed anything.  Thanks for any help,
>
There are O-rings sealing this interface.  The proper fix is to replace the
O-rings which come with the rebuild kit.  Another possible cause is rust in
the
recesses for the O-rings which will leak even with fresh O-rings.  If this
is
the case you probably have rust in the cylinder bore as well and a complete
rebuild is in order.

I have had mixed results rebuilding cylinders and when I consider how
important brakes are I usually opt for a professional rebuild or a brand new
master
cylinder.  A new MC retails for $200 but if you shop the sales you can pick
one
up for less.

I would suggest you buy a rebuild kit and pull the cylinder.  Remove the
reservoir and check for rust in the recesses.  If you find no rust and age
hardened O-rings then replace the O-rings.  Check for fluid leakage into the
booster.
 If the cups leak you may not see fluid because it will get drawn into the
booster where the brake fluid will weaken the diaghram and cause the booster
to
fail.  (BTDT)  If you find fluid the cylinder needs rebuilding.

Remember, this car is 32 years old and these types of problems are par for
the course in any car this old.

If your brakes are all original I would go so far as to recommend a new
master cylinder, new wheel cylinders and caliper rebuilds as well as four
new brake
hoses.  Do a visual inspection of all the steel lines for deep rust pitting.
If your car is relatively free of rust odds are the brake lines are, too.
Throw in new pads and shoes and turn your drums and rotors and you will have
a
brand new braking system.  It will cost less than $400 in parts.  Since your
brakes are still working you can plan out this expense but I would certainly
start saving/accumulating parts.

And your life may depend on it.  I still vividly recall the day the brakes
failed on my MG.  And that was over 30 years ago.  Don't scrimp on brakes.

Dave


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