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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 10:12:19 -0400
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The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.   I think this is just an =
updated number but it needs to be explored.

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Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?

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Ron Fraser

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From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary@gmail.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <fordlandia@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net; Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>; Allan =
Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>; owain.lloyd@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

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Same exact logo.  It was DARCAST, no question.

Gary W.

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On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite =

In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm =
Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 =
this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."=20

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The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger =
/ Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information =
today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's =
RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

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Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this =
case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

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1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named =
"Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years =
that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that =
Darcast was not the name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings =
used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: =
DarCast.


2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) =
clearly shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from =
1965.   That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

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3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked =
at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they =
also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "DA" was =
likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

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4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

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I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the =
C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:  =
https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-=
side-exhaust-header.8891/

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Best Regards,

=20

Bill Waite

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>The Mk II =
part number changed to 1236160.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think this is just an =
updated number but it needs to be explored.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone have =
a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Gary Winblad =
&lt;winbladgary@gmail.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 04, 2024 =
9:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bill Waite =
&lt;fordlandia@sbcglobal.net&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> tigers@autox.team.net; =
Ron Fraser &lt;rfraser@bluefrog.com&gt;; Allan Ballard =
&lt;aballard@ix.netcom.com&gt;; owain.lloyd@gmail.com<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Same exact logo.&nbsp; It was DARCAST, no =
question.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
W.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fordlandia@sbcglobal.net";>fordlandia@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>In earlier =
emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated &quot;<span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Norm Miller states BARCAST&quot; and =
&quot;Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that =
cast many exhaust manifold for British =
cars.&quot;</span>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The =
&quot;another&quot; person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite =
(Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).&nbsp; I have uncovered additional =
information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on =
the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is =
<b>DARCAST</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Ron said =
&quot;We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this =
case.&quot;&nbsp; Hopefully the following information will include =
enough proof.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>1.&nbsp; =
Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named =
&quot;<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>&quot; located in Smethwick =
(UK).&nbsp; In later years that company operated three (3) separate =
foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any =
foundry.&nbsp; Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b> in =
Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: =
<b>DarCast</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>2.&nbsp=
; An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly =
shows the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attached is another print ad from =
1965.&nbsp; &nbsp;That ad lists the type of castings they =
produced.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>3.&nbsp; =
On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number =
&quot;DA21120.&quot;&nbsp; I looked at some of the other exhaust =
manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers =
starting with &quot;DA.&quot;&nbsp; I submit: &quot;<b>DA</b>&quot; was =
likely used as the prefix of &quot;<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto&quot; =
part numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>4.&nbsp; =
Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with &quot;Barcast&quot; in =
the logo.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I intend =
to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. =
Forum.&nbsp; The link to that thread follows:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-orig=
inal-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-rega=
rding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Best =
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Bill =
Waite<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html=
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