Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose

[GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>]

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Kirk,
Very interesting...  yes, not logical...  unless..
In googling I found an article that said Obama changed the rule that statio=
ns do not need
the recovery nozzles anymore.  Any chance that they changed them in your ar=
ea just at
the time you fixed your leaks?
I have thought of putting a vent valve in for use during fill ups.
Gary
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> On 09/20/2023 8:15 PM PDT twotigers--- via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>=
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> I had the same trouble as everybody else, and the only relief I could get=
 was to break the recovery seal, also. This went on for decades. One day I =
smelled some gas fumes in the car. After eliminating the carb as the source=
 I started looking behind the trunk panels. I found a crack in the vent tub=
e and another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. Went to gas up=
, stuck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, and was shocked that the =
tanks filled completely. This was about a year ago. Every fill up since, ev=
en at different gas stations, has had the same result. Goes totally against=
 logic and critical thinking, because previously the only way to get gas in=
 was to break the seal. Now, with no way for air to enter the system, it fi=
lls up completely without any fuss. Go figure!
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> Kirk
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of M Lafayette via=
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> To: jbsyv@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
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> Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put into =
the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.
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> In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@aut=
ox.team.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.net writes:
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> > Like Gary, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve.=
 I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA =
though. Never tried the upside down method.
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> > > On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net ma=
ilto:garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pumps=
).
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> > All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or=
 so.
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> > Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed =
for the new pumps.
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> > So there is nothing you can do.
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> > When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises =
and the pump shuts
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> > off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.=20
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> > I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and=
 just barely open the
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> > trigger, takes forever.
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> > Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better.  =
I just tried this again
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> > and it did seem to work better than years ago when I last tried it.
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> > > On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <gregdawg89@hotmail.com mailto:=
gregdawg89@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > It does that with my Tiger too. =F0=9F=99=81
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> > > Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
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> > > I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, in that it takes=
 me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.  It takes the first=
 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.  I must squeak in .1=
-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas to set=
tle in the tanks before adding more.
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> > > The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I believe.  No gas=
 fumes in trunk.  Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty accurate.  Whe=
n my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gallo=
ns on the gauge.
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> > > Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happening and potent=
ial fix would be appreciated.
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   Kirk,
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   Very interesting...&nbsp; yes, not logical...&nbsp; unless..
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   In googling I found an article that said Obama changed the rule that sta=
tions do not need
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   the recovery nozzles anymore.&nbsp; Any chance that they changed them in=
 your area just at
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   the time you fixed your leaks?
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   I have thought of putting a vent valve in for use during fill ups.
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   Gary
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    On 09/20/2023 8:15 PM PDT twotigers--- via Tigers &lt;tigers@autox.team=
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same trouble as everybody else, and th=
e only relief I could get was to break the recovery seal, also. This went o=
n for decades. One day I smelled some gas fumes in the car. After eliminati=
ng the carb as the source I started looking behind the trunk panels. I foun=
d a crack in the vent tube and another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both=
 of those. Went to gas up, stuck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, =
and was shocked that the tanks filled completely. This was about a year ago=
. Every fill up since, even at different gas stations, has had the same res=
ult. Goes totally against logic and critical thinking, because previously t=
he only way to get gas in was to break the seal. Now, with no way for air t=
o enter the system, it fills up completely without any fuss. Go figure!</p>=
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kirk</p>=20
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     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;tigers-bounce=
s@autox.team.net&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>M Lafayette via Tigers<b=
r><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:31 PM<br><strong>T=
o:</strong> jbsyv@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net<br><strong>Subject:</str=
ong> Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose</p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 14.0pt; font=
-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Seems like a few years back som=
eone was advertising a device to put into the tank opening that supposedly =
solved this problem.</span></strong></p>=20
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     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eas=
tern Daylight Time, <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.t=
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         <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Like Gar=
y, I=E2=80=99m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the=
 nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. Neve=
r tried the upside down method.</span></p>=20
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             <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBL=
AD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net";>garywinblad@comcast.net</=
a>&gt; wrote:</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You must not be in CA (or other state wi=
th the vapor recovery gas pumps).</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I=
 never try to go more than 9 or so.</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Old cars don't have the on-board carbon =
canister system that is needed for the new pumps.</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">So there is nothing you can do.</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">When the nozzle is fully inserted and ga=
s pumped in the pressure rises and the pump shuts</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">off, always spilling gas down the side a=
nd onto the ground.&nbsp;</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the=
 bellows doesn't fully seat and just barely open the</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">trigger, takes forever.</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (v=
ertical) and it works better.&nbsp; I just tried this again</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">and it did seem to work better than year=
s ago when I last tried it.</p>=20
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lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregdawg89@hotmail.com";>gregdawg89@hotmail.com</a>&gt;=
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             <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">It d=
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of Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tige=
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               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; fon=
t-family: 'Garamond',serif;">I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my pat=
ience, in that it takes me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tan=
ks.&nbsp; It takes the first 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes f=
orever.&nbsp; I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait=
 10-15 seconds for the gas to settle in the tanks before adding more.</span=
></p>=20
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               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; fon=
t-family: 'Garamond',serif;">The gas tank vent hose is in the correct locat=
ion, I believe.&nbsp; No gas fumes in trunk.&nbsp; Gas tank sending unit an=
d gauge are pretty accurate.&nbsp; When my patience holds and I get the tan=
ks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.</span></p>=20
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               <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; fon=
t-family: 'Garamond',serif;">Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might =
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