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Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa
Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this. My company has
> also done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time
> there getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us.
> They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the
> minimum possible quality that we could accept. The subs that we worked
> with did not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to
> have rework than to do the work to a higher standard. So we basically had
> to inspect everything we got from them. The reject rate was definitely
> much higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.
>
> Then there is the IP issue. Just about every design that the China-based
> sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a
> different Chinese company shortly after out contract ended. Both companies
> were owned by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberately
> transferred our technology to one of our competitors. Fortunately they did
> NOT try to sell our design in the US. I am pretty sure we could have
> stopped them, but it would have been expensive.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China
>> for business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will
>> make anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define.
>> They CAN make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to
>> tell them what level of quality they want.
>> Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to
>> produce rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
>> JMHO,
>>
>> Mark Haynes
>> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
>>
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/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_=
signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way-=
Pay It Forward<br></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jdinnis@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k">jdinnis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to th=
is.=C2=A0 My company has also done business with sub-contractors in China, =
and I spent some time there getting the subs up to speed on the work they w=
ere doing for us.=C2=A0 They work we got form them was of acceptable qualit=
y, but definitely the minimum possible quality that we could accept.=C2=A0 =
The subs that we worked with did not care if we rejected some product, it w=
as cheaper for them to have rework than to do the work to a higher standard=
.=C2=A0 So we basically had to inspect everything we got from them.=C2=A0 T=
he reject rate was definitely much higher than any of the other subcontract=
ors we worked with.=C2=A0 <br><br></div>Then there is the IP issue.=C2=A0 J=
ust about every design that the China-based sub worked on for us ended up g=
etting ripped off and marketed by a different Chinese company shortly after=
out contract ended.=C2=A0 Both companies were owned by the government of C=
hina, so it seems likely they deliberately transferred our technology to on=
e of our competitors.=C2=A0 Fortunately they did NOT try to sell our design=
in the US.=C2=A0 I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, but it would=
have been expensive.=C2=A0 <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM=
, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridge=
ts@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></span=
> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h=
5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>This article is right on point, My brother in=
-law has traveled to China for business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stat=
ed that the Chinese will make anything that you want to whatever price/qual=
ity point YOU define. They CAN make very good tools, but its up to the outs=
ourcing company to tell them what level of quality they want.<br></div>Unfo=
rtunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produce rath=
er than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).<br></div>JMHO,<br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></=
div></div>
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