--===============7286920669296580614==
--001a113d4edeffcabf0529c85d75
That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this. My company has also
done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time there
getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us. They work
we got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the minimum
possible quality that we could accept. The subs that we worked with did
not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to have
rework than to do the work to a higher standard. So we basically had to
inspect everything we got from them. The reject rate was definitely much
higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.
Then there is the IP issue. Just about every design that the China-based
sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a
different Chinese company shortly after out contract ended. Both companies
were owned by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberately
transferred our technology to one of our competitors. Fortunately they did
NOT try to sell our design in the US. I am pretty sure we could have
stopped them, but it would have been expensive.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
> This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China
> for business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will
> make anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define.
> They CAN make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to
> tell them what level of quality they want.
> Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produce
> rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
> JMHO,
>
> Mark Haynes
> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:00 PM, <spridgets-request@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Send Spridgets mailing list submissions to
>> spridgets@autox.team.net
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> spridgets-request@autox.team.net
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> spridgets-owner@autox.team.net
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Spridgets digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Insightful article on Chinese tools (Trevor Jessie)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:28:06 -0500
>> From: Trevor Jessie <trevor.jessie@gmail.com>
>> To: Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Spridgets] Insightful article on Chinese tools
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> CAHkEVvTAkj-M7wsFcKk_u9P0F06UwVBBgk9yjD__xLon2uqA0w@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> http://hackaday.com/2016/01/18/whats-in-a-tool-a-case-for-made-in-usa/
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: <
>> http://autox.team.net/pipermail/spridgets/attachments/20160118/45e1f29d/attachment-0001.html
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Spridgets mailing list
>> Spridgets@autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> End of Spridgets Digest, Vol 58, Issue 6
>> ****************************************
>>
>
>
> ------------------------
>
> spridgets@autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation: $12.75
>
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/jdinnis@gmail.com
>
>
--
=================================
= Never offend people with style when you =
= can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =
=================================
--001a113d4edeffcabf0529c85d75
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this=
.=C2=A0 My company has also done business with sub-contractors in China, an=
d I spent some time there getting the subs up to speed on the work they wer=
e doing for us.=C2=A0 They work we got form them was of acceptable quality,=
but definitely the minimum possible quality that we could accept.=C2=A0 Th=
e subs that we worked with did not care if we rejected some product, it was=
cheaper for them to have rework than to do the work to a higher standard.=
=C2=A0 So we basically had to inspect everything we got from them.=C2=A0 Th=
e reject rate was definitely much higher than any of the other subcontracto=
rs we worked with.=C2=A0 <br><br></div>Then there is the IP issue.=C2=A0 Ju=
st about every design that the China-based sub worked on for us ended up ge=
tting ripped off and marketed by a different Chinese company shortly after =
out contract ended.=C2=A0 Both companies were owned by the government of Ch=
ina, so it seems likely they deliberately transferred our technology to one=
of our competitors.=C2=A0 Fortunately they did NOT try to sell our design =
in the US.=C2=A0 I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, but it would =
have been expensive.=C2=A0 <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridg=
ets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>This article is right on poin=
t, My brother in-law has traveled to China for business (very astute Engine=
er BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make anything that you want to wha=
tever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN make very good tools, but it=
s up to the outsourcing company to tell them what level of quality they wan=
t.<br></div>Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost=
to produce rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).<br><=
/div>JMHO,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It For=
ward<br></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:00 PM, <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets-request@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank">spridgets-request@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">Send Spridgets mailing list submissions to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/listin=
fo/spridgets" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/ma=
ilman/listinfo/spridgets</a><br>
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:spridgets-request@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets-request@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
You can reach the person managing the list at<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:spridgets-owner@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">spridgets-owner@autox.team.net</a><br>
<br>
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
than "Re: Contents of Spridgets digest..."<br>
<br>
<br>
Today's Topics:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A01. Insightful article on Chinese tools (Trevor Jessie)<br>
<br>
<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:28:06 -0500<br>
From: Trevor Jessie <<a href=3D"mailto:trevor.jessie@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">trevor.jessie@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Subject: [Spridgets] Insightful article on Chinese tools<br>
Message-ID:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <<a href=3D"mailto:CAHkEVvTAkj-M7wsFcKk_u9P0=
F06UwVBBgk9yjD__xLon2uqA0w@mail.gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">CAHkEVvTAkj-M7=
wsFcKk_u9P0F06UwVBBgk9yjD__xLon2uqA0w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://hackaday.com/2016/01/18/whats-in-a-tool-a-case-for-made-i=
n-usa/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://hackaday.com/2016/01/18=
/whats-in-a-tool-a-case-for-made-in-usa/</a><br>
-------------- next part --------------<br>
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>
URL: <<a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/pipermail/spridgets/attachments/2=
0160118/45e1f29d/attachment-0001.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://autox.team.net/pipermail/spridgets/attachments/20160118/45e1f29d/at=
tachment-0001.html</a>><br>
<br>
------------------------------<br>
<br>
Subject: Digest Footer<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
<br>
Spridgets mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets"; rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets</a>=
<br>
<br>
<br>
------------------------------<br>
<br>
End of Spridgets Digest, Vol 58, Issue 6<br>
****************************************<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
<br>------------------------<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a><br=
>
<br>
et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
<br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>
Forums: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/forums"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>
ets/jdinnis@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.te=
am.net/mailman/options/spridgets/jdinnis@gmail.com</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail=
_signature">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>=3D Never offend people with style =
when you=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D<br>=3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown=C2=
=A0 =3D<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div>
</div>
--001a113d4edeffcabf0529c85d75--
--===============7286920669296580614==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
------------------------
spridgets@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
--===============7286920669296580614==--
|