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Re: [Shop-talk] Frost heater/freeze plug

To: Phil Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Frost heater/freeze plug
From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:55:11 -0600
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I'm looking at the thing now. It's this thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoeJ7wPHaFZ0

I guess we'll have to see if there's a large threaded plug on the right
rear of the engine.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:51 AM Phil Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

> You need to see the part of itself and not just the paperwork.
>
> Has anyone ever actually seen a freeze plug save an engine block?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 14, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com=
>
> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BF
> > This is mostly theory.
> >
> > One of my staff wants to stick a frost heater in his car--it's a Kia
> with a 3.3L engine (though I don't think that matters for the question).
> >
> > Since he thinks I'm a car guy--which in his head means I know everythin=
g
> about all cars--he's asking for help.
> >
> > He brought in the instructions and the heater itself. The instructions
> are pretty simple: drain coolant, "remove plug" (quotes mine--it just say=
s
> "plug", so I'm assuming that's a freeze/expansion plug), screw in heater,
> refill coolant, etc.
> >
> > The heater to install is threaded. It says to torque it to 30 lb. ft.
> >
> > The plug he's removing probably isn't...I'd think.
> >
> > Obviously without rolling under the car, who knows? But I'm tempted to
> tell him to not start--the only way I know to remove a freeze plug is to
> drill a hole in it, then pull it out with something. If there are no
> threads behind it--and I can't imagine that a press-in freeze plug presse=
s
> in to a threaded hole--then he's just going to need a new freeze plug to
> reinstall.
> >
> > So I guess my questions to the list are:
> >
> > 1) anyone ever see a threaded freeze plug? That would seem to defeat th=
e
> whole purpose of allowing it to pop out.
> >
> > 2) anyone ever see threads behind a freeze plug? Perhaps the plug
> presses into a smooth port, and there are threads behind it?
> >
> > We called the manufacturer who confirmed that the part number is
> correct. It's used on several models so they couldn't say for sure other
> than, "it'll work". I'd hate to see this kid pull out a freeze plug then =
be
> screwed.
> >
> > YouTube similarly has nothing relevant.
> >
> > Anybody have any experience with this before I just have him drive over
> and roll under the car to see what I'm looking at?
> >
> > Thanks.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m looking at the thing now. It&#39;s this thing:<div=
><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoeJ7wPHaFZ0";>h=
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoeJ7wPHaFZ0</a><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>I guess we&#39;ll have to see if there&#39;s a large threaded=C2=A0plug =
on the right rear of the engine.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:51 AM Phil=
 Ethier &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.com";>pethier7@gmail.com</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">You nee=
d to see the part of itself and not just the paperwork.<br>
<br>
Has anyone ever actually seen a freeze plug save an engine block?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jan 14, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.h=
all.personal@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">scott.hall.personal@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; This is mostly theory.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; One of my staff wants to stick a frost heater in his car--it&#39;s a K=
ia with a 3.3L engine (though I don&#39;t think that matters for the questi=
on).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Since he thinks I&#39;m a car guy--which in his head means I know ever=
ything about all cars--he&#39;s asking for help.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; He brought in the instructions and the heater itself. The instructions=
 are pretty simple: drain coolant, &quot;remove plug&quot; (quotes mine--it=
 just says &quot;plug&quot;, so I&#39;m assuming that&#39;s a freeze/expans=
ion plug), screw in heater, refill coolant, etc.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The heater to install is threaded. It says to torque it to 30 lb. ft.<=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The plug he&#39;s removing probably isn&#39;t...I&#39;d think.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Obviously without rolling under the car, who knows? But I&#39;m tempte=
d to tell him to not start--the only way I know to remove a freeze plug is =
to drill a hole in it, then pull it out with something. If there are no thr=
eads behind it--and I can&#39;t imagine that a press-in freeze plug presses=
 in to a threaded hole--then he&#39;s just going to need a new freeze plug =
to reinstall.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; So I guess my questions to the list are:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1) anyone ever see a threaded freeze plug? That would seem to defeat t=
he whole purpose of allowing it to pop out.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2) anyone ever see threads behind a freeze plug? Perhaps the plug pres=
ses into a smooth port, and there are threads behind it?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; We called the manufacturer who confirmed that the part number is corre=
ct. It&#39;s used on several models so they couldn&#39;t say for sure other=
 than, &quot;it&#39;ll work&quot;. I&#39;d hate to see this kid pull out a =
freeze plug then be screwed.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; YouTube similarly has nothing relevant.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Anybody have any experience with this before I just have him drive ove=
r and roll under the car to see what I&#39;m looking at?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
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