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Re: [Shop-talk] attic fan switches (does this exist?)

To: Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] attic fan switches (does this exist?)
From: John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:13:00 -0500
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Surprisingly my Arduino-base projects have gotten a MUCH higher degree of
Spouse Approval, mostly because the Insteon, X-10 and Z-wave stuff was just
too unreliable.  After two or three times of the Home Automation stuff not
doing what it was supposed to, my wife was done with it.  The Arduino stuff
required more know-how to get set up and working, but once it was it has
performed flawlessly.  I am also able to customize it based on her
preferences.  She wanted a button that would turn the fan on and have it
run for 30 minutes.  I already had a 4-button remote and was only using two
of the buttons.  A few simple changes to the Arduino program and I was able
to make it do exactly what she wanted.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:00 AM Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermostat, in our
> upstairs hallway. When I don't want to hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it
> off.
>
> My fan in my attic has the standard mechanical thermostat that came with
> it. I think I set it a hair too low, or the hysteresis is too broad,
> because it'll still be running at 11pm. Then again, we've had 27+ days of
> 90+ here in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees,
> and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the switch back on?)
>
> I know, Pat's heart bleeds for me.
>
> I like the idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophisticated,
> but writing Arduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and
> self-employment will allow. I'm looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave
> devices, but need to do more research before I start spending on hardware=
.
>
> The problem I'd had was that I wanted the fan to run to reduce melting
> when we had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, the proper
> solution is to improve my insulation up there!
>
> -Peter
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a
>> controller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a
>> controller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.
>>
>> If you want the x-10 to override  the thermostat so that the fan runs
>> until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controll=
er
>> & wire its normally open contacts across the thermostat.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>
>> Pat Horne
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BFI have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic switch.
>>
>> I was wondering if there was a way that I can have it on a  thermostatic
>> switch AND a remote switch (like X-10)
>>
>> What happens is that  I want to turn on the fan on some nights or days,
>> but it isn't hot enough to trigger it to go off.  If I reduce the
>> temperature setting, it stays on most on the time.
>>
>> But I do want it to go on if it gets too hot when I'm not home.
>>
>> Is there anything like this on the market?  I also couldn't figure out
>> how to wire 2 separate switches safely to accomplish this.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mule
>>
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rationa=
l
>> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
>> Waldo Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Surprisingly my Arduino-base projects have gotten a MUCH h=
igher degree of Spouse Approval, mostly because the Insteon, X-10 and Z-wav=
e stuff was just too unreliable.=C2=A0 After two or three times of the Home=
 Automation stuff not doing what it was supposed to, my wife was done with =
it.=C2=A0 The Arduino stuff required more know-how to get set up and workin=
g, but once it was it has performed flawlessly.=C2=A0 I am also able to cus=
tomize it based on her preferences.=C2=A0 She wanted a button that would tu=
rn the fan on and have it run for 30 minutes.=C2=A0 I already had a 4-butto=
n remote and was only using two of the buttons.=C2=A0 A few simple changes =
to the Arduino program and I was able to make it do exactly what she wanted=
. =C2=A0<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:00 AM Peter Murray &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:peterwmurray@gmail.com">peterwmurray@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My=
 solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermostat, in our upstairs =
hallway. When I don&#39;t want to hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it off.<br=
></div><div><br></div><div>My fan in my attic has the standard mechanical t=
hermostat that came with it. I think I set it a hair too low, or the hyster=
esis is too broad, because it&#39;ll still be running at 11pm. Then again, =
we&#39;ve had 27+ days of 90+ here in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am =
here now and 89 degrees, and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the sw=
itch=C2=A0back on?)<div><br></div><div>I know, Pat&#39;s heart bleeds for m=
e.</div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>I like the idea of making oper=
ation of the fan a bit more sophisticated, but writing Arduino code is like=
ly more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and self-employment will allow. I&#39;=
m looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave devices, but need to do more re=
search before I start spending on hardware.</div><div><br></div><div>The pr=
oblem I&#39;d had was that I wanted the fan to run to reduce melting when w=
e had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, the proper solution =
is to improve my insulation up there!</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas=
@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">patintexas@icloud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=
=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a contro=
ller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a controlle=
r with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div=
>If you want the x-10 to override =C2=A0the thermostat so that the fan runs=
 until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controller=
 &amp; wire its normally open contacts across the thermostat.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=
=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan tha=
t is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way=
 that
I can have it on a =C2=A0thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What happens is that =C2=A0I want =
to
turn on the fan on some nights or days, but it isn&#39;t hot enough to trig=
ger
it to go off.=C2=A0 If I reduce the temperature setting, it stays on most
on the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I do want it to go on if it ge=
ts
too hot when I&#39;m not home.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there anything like this on the=
 market?
=C2=A0I also couldn&#39;t figure out how to wire 2 separate switches safely
to accomplish this.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Any ideas?</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Mule<br>
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