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Re: [Shop-talk] using paypal

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] using paypal
From: Marcus Pless <mpless@ucsd.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:03:26 -0700
I've been a Paypal member pretty much since day one and
I've never had a problem, but it seems like they have had
some issues over the years.

If you're not comfortable with Paypal ask for a check or
money order and don't ship until it clears.

--Marcus


On 10/24/2008 01:51:47 PM, john niolon wrote:
> so hearing all the scary stories.... what would be a safe alternative
> ??  If
> I knew this guy it might be different but I don't....  I a little
> skittish
> about checks... been burned before...  money order ???
>
> j
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randall" <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>
> To: "'john niolon'" <jniolon@bham.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] using paypal
>
>
> > John,
> >
> > If I recall the discussion correctly, a PayPal transfer is riskier
> than a
> > personal check.  If PayPal somehow gets defrauded on the sending
> end, they
> > will seize your account, or sue you for fraud if you've already
> cleaned it
> > out.
> >
> > But it's worse than that.  If the seller claims they don't receive
> the
> > merchandise, they can file a complaint with PayPal who will again
> seize
> > the
> > account until the dispute is settled (ie you prove that the buyer
> did
> > receive the merchandise).
> >
> > And it gets worse again if the buyer used a credit card to pay
> PayPal; now
> > all they have to do is claim to their credit card company that the
> > merchandise was defective or unacceptable in some way, and you have
> to
> > prove
> > to THEIR CC company that the claims are false.
> >
> > Google for "PayPal fraud", you'll get lots of hits.  Of course,
> some
> of
> > those are probably fakes setup by PayPal's competitors, but not all
> of
> > them.
> >
> > There are some recently-enacted protections, but only for items
> > bought/sold
> > through eBay.  Now that eBay owns PayPal, they don't much care
> about
>
> > outside
> > business.
> >
> > Randall
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-
> >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john niolon
> >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:04 PM
> >> To: shop-talk
> >> Subject: [Shop-talk] using paypal
> >>
> >> I'm in the midst of a sale of wrenchs to a guy in New York
> State...
> I'm
> >> in
> >> Alabama.  He wants to pay me by paypal... I have a paypal account
> I
> use
> >> for
> >> paying but never have used for receiving payment... how does it
> work ??
> >> dangers ???  fees ???  It's a reasonably large amount of money so
> I'm
> >> wary
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> A government which robs Peter to pay Paul
> >> can always depend on the support of Paul.
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