Listers,
For those of you who aren't familiar with the quoted book.
The M.G. Companion. Kenneth Ullyett. Published 1960. Foreword G.E.T. Eyston.
The particular quote Ullyett wrote was from Kimber's "detailed description"
which he (Ullyett) quotes for over a page. Presumably this is a published
paper but he didn't mention the title and he didn't fully include it in his
book.
",,, painted blue, in place of the standard red." Cecil Kimber. 1936.
"Green?
Paint it Red.
Instead"
Brian Kelly. 2003.
In a message dated 02/19/2003 2:32:58 PM Central Standard Time,
mgwizard@caloundra.net writes:
>
> I think there is more in this than just the engine colour.
>
> But please let me start this by saying it does not matter what I think.
> The
> important issue is for you to work out what you think is true. This is
> where our MMM List is so grand.
>
> Re the written word.
> There is a move amongst some of the MMM "friends" in Australia, to have
> publishing houses start a web address (by book title) so those who do not
> agree with "published facts" can register their doubts and others have some
> where to turn to verify their own thoughts. It is not a bad idea.
>
> Knowing full well that before long, all of us old stagers will be gone and
> only the written word will be left, it probably becomes very important that
> there is accuracy in the written word.
>
> My experience has been that there are errors in most books on MMM cars.
> Some are just errors &some are just misleading thoughts. Unfortunately
> both these misleading thoughts and the errors are often quoted as fact.
>
> I have started to ask the authors of books what evidence they have to
> support various claims. By way of example, I must say that both David
> Knowles and Eric Dymock have produce no evidence to back the claims I asked
> about. It is very disturbing.
>
> So, what about Kenneth Ullyett's "The M.G. Companion" page 37/38 (I do not
> have this book) and his claim about the blue engines. What evidence does
> he
> have or is it "just that he thought that is what may have occurred".
>
> Engine colour
> We have all been through it before but I would back physical evidence more
> than anything else. How many of you have racing department engines that
> are
> un touched (as far as paint work is concerned) since the 30's.
>
> Well, I am lucky enough to have the last remaining engine( basically a
> Q-type engine) from EX27. It is painted blue.
>
> Terry's comment
> Then there is Terry's comment. Personally, I would not believe a single
> word Barry Walker said, ever. I certainly have many bits of evidence where
> he has been incorrect. Particularly in reference to his claims about
> R-type
> steering wheels which is a subject that I do know something about.
>
> Confederation of Australian Motor Sports claims.
> Our motor racing body claims that MG's did not use wheels smaller than 18"
> in competition prior to 1940. These people are supposed to be "experts in
> managing motor racing in this country". Thanks to the assistance of many,
> I
> now have a huge collection of photographic evidence which proves that those
> claims are not true.
>
> You see, even experts can be wrong. Whilst I am not an exert, I know I can
> also be wrong. The thing that I find comforting is that I research a point
> as far as I can and satisfy myself about what I find.
>
> So there you have my comments about some issues.
>
> Regards to all
>
>
> Pip
> AUSTRALIA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kellmg@aol.com
> To: mg-mmm@autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:26 AM
> Subject: Not engine colour again?
>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> I know that this subject has been flogged nearly to death within the
> recent
> past, however, rereading Kenneth Ullyett's "The M.G. Companion" page
> 37/38.
>
> Ullyett writes; "Kimber prepared a detailed description of the five acre
> works at the climax of his era, only a few weeks before Morris Motors
> Limited
> acquired the M.G. Company for Lord Nuffield." He then quotes Kimber's
> writing's.
>
> Part of quote; "Built up in the centre of the works is a second store
> where
> tyres, wheels and bodies are housed. Here also is the racing department.
> The
> cylinder-block of every engine passing through the hands of the racing
> mechanics is painted blue, in place of the standard red, which makes it
> easy
> to distinguish a power-unit that has been brought up to racing tune."
>
> Would like to hear your thoughts on this statement from the man himself.
> Especially when it was a current writing of the times, '36?
>
> Do you think this statement is enough to make those green engines
> blush????
>
> Regards.
>
> Brian Kelly.
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