Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled, push rod guys. Your same
arguments could apply to flatheads, but I don't want them to go away!
Different strokes, ya know ...
Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red Line, Amsoil, Mobile 1, etc.)
and do just fine. One reason I suspect Harley doesn't want you running
synthetics is they have oil refined for them under their own label and a lot
of the new Harley riders are afraid to use anything not recommended by The
Motor Company (emphasis added).
I'm really glad to see this string take off, good stuff.
Dale
PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong. When was the last
time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah, a few maybe
and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like women; some like tall blondes,
some red heads with freckles, some even like the round sort. Vive le
difference!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Dahlgren [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
To: Ed Van Scoy
Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John Beckett;
land-speed@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Additives
Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys built are still on
the road today don't you?
It's because the other 10% made it home in one piece.......
Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that they pretty much
race against themselves. They quote #'s like 120 hp for a
hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid in a old
Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they might want to
swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun piece..
And a quiz question for the list what is the largest engine
builder in the world in volume of engines sold per year
sheer number of engines..
Dave Dahlgren
Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>
> FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory filled with Mobil 1 synthetic, so
they
> obviously aren't worried about break-in. Since we are on this topic,
question for
> bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic oil? Reason I ask is there is a
raging
> argument in the Harley world about pros & cons of synthetics. Mobil 1
already makes
> an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots of manufacturers use
semi-synthetic from
> the factory. Harley will void your warrenty if they find it in your
bike........For
> some reason the manual says that if you find the oil level low on your
Harley &
> Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil! Can any of you lube-gurus
explain that
> to me?
> Thanks,
> Ed
>
> tim schoeny wrote:
>
> > My cam grinder and short block builder both recommend "conventional" oil
for
> > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic for racing..Honda rings take
forever to
> > seat and starting out with syn. is not recommended.Just what I do.
> > Tim
Schoeny
> >
> > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> >
> > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a new engine's oil it will take
about 5
> > > times longer to break the rings in. Guess where the benefit is? Better
> > > lubrication.
> > > S
> > >
> > > Not true, John.
> > > Break-in should take about 10% longer but there is no reason not to
use the
> > > oil.
> > > Skip Higginbotham
> > >
> > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > >It was my understanding the synthitic oils of any kind are a NO NO in
new
> > > >componets. They do not allow the proper break-in to take place, and
should
> > > >only be used in components after the normal break-in has been
finished.
> > > >What say ye?
> > > >
> > > >John Beckett
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > >To: "Chris R Harris" <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > >Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:23 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Additives
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Chris; Slick 50 is nothing more than Dupont Teflon repackaged. In
the
> > > >> states we can buy the K-mart teflon for less money and it's the
same
> > > >> thing. A friend of mine did some testing with mobil one and teflon
on
> > > >> the dyno. He said he made the most power with one Quart mobil one
and
> > > >> five quarts teflon. The bearings never took a hit. I thought about
using
> > > >> it myself instead of straight mobil one but I guess I lack the
testicle
> > > >> fortitude. I have used Amsoil in transmissions and rear ends with
good
> > > >> luck but the one time I tried it in a motor it started to wear the
> > > >> bearings. Change back to Valvoline 50w and the bearings
(vandervell) ran
> > > >> all season with no wear. Just my 2 cents worth.
> > > >> Doug Odom in big ditch
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris R Harris wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Compliments of the season to all on the list, thinking
positively, 2001
> > > >is
> > > >> > going to be a great year.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > New subject additives. What is the lists opinion on the subject,
do you
> > > >have a
> > > >> > favorite, are they strictly 'mouse milk', most certainly don't
stack up
> > > >to
> > > >> > the claims made, some definitely do help. The one I use in my
manual
> > > >trans and
> > > >> > diff on the roadster (definitely not the engine though) is Slick
50. My
> > > >> > experience here was using a heavy rotary slasher on the farm.
Powered by
> > > >a 100
> > > >> > hp tractor, these very basic slashers swinging a heavy hub with 4
> > > >swinging
> > > >> > blades, had a simple right angle bevel gear box between the PTO
shaft
> > > >and
> > > >> > blade. In heavy going that box would get stink'in hot, couldn't
touch
> > > >it,
> > > >> > always used the recommended oil. The addition of Slick made a
huge
> > > >reduction
> > > >> > in box temperature, thats what convinced me it was doing its job.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Lets hear your opinion including others like good assembly lubes
or
> > > >other
> > > >> > special brews you have for particular purposes, there has to be
plenty
> > > >out
> > > >> > there.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Chris Harris New Zealand..
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