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Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

To: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
From: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:45:26 -0700
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Sounds like you have checked everything on the ignition system. Could be fue=
l related. What do the spark plugs look like? If the ceramic is black then t=
oo rich if white then too lean. Lastly there is the ground wire that runs fr=
om the coil to the battery shutoff switch. Could the wire be grounding somew=
here? Try disconnecting it at the coil.

Harold

> On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Richard Collins via Healeys <healeys@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
> If so, I=E2=80=99d say vapor lock of fuel system.
> Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on my i=
nstruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulation a=
round the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped but h=
as not cured the issue. I do have a heat shield but haven=E2=80=99t installe=
d it.
> So my cure is not to drive on hot days. =20
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> Regards,
> Richard C
> BN7 #440
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>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.=
  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut d=
own again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after=
 the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nop=
e-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year). =20
>>=20
>> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or=
 for a car to pass.
>>=20
>> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new=
 fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float b=
owls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out=
 and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery c=
utoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * repl=
aced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make=
 sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the=
 distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to=
 make sure it was attached properly.
>>=20
>>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If=
 anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>>=20
>> Thanks
>> Tom
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Sounds like you have checked everything on t=
he ignition system. Could be fuel related. What do the spark plugs look like=
? If the ceramic is black then too rich if white then too lean. Lastly there=
 is the ground wire that runs from the coil to the battery shutoff switch. C=
ould the wire be grounding somewhere? Try disconnecting it at the coil.<br><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Harold</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Richard Collins via Healeys &lt;healeys@auto=
x.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
<div>If so, I=E2=80=99d say vapor lock of fuel system.</div>
<div>Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on m=
y instruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulati=
on around the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped b=
ut has not cured the issue.
 I do have a heat shield but haven=E2=80=99t installed it.</div>
<div>So my cure is not to drive on hot days. &nbsp;<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,
<div>Richard C</div>
<div>BN7 #440</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys &=
lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br>
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Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.&nb=
sp; Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shu=
t down again.&nbsp; I tried many fixes which I will list below.&nbsp; Severa=
l times after the fixes she went for miles and
 miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.&nbsp; Nope-----yesterday----it was AA=
A tow time once again (3 times this year).&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or fo=
r a car to pass.</div>
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t-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia=
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ation-color: initial;">
So here is what I have tried:&nbsp; * new coil&nbsp; * new voltage regulator=
&nbsp; * new fuel pump&nbsp; * New ignition switch&nbsp; * Blew out the fuel=
 lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)&nbsp; * Pull=
ed the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it&nbsp; * disconnected
 the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the=
 entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one&nbsp; *=
 checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly&nbsp; *&=
nbsp; replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced
 the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributo=
r to make sure it was attached properly.</div>
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ation-color: initial;">
&nbsp;All this----and STILL o joy.&nbsp; I'm really out of ideas at this poi=
nt.&nbsp; If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.</div>
<div style=3D"color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; fon=
t-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia=
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Thanks</div>
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Tom</div>
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