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Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:54:49 -0700
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re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive 
is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."

I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when 
overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say 
not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if 
anybody wants them.

Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to 
produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there 
is a pressure relief mechanism.


On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
> Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery 
> and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well 
> or not functioning at all.
>
> On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into 
> overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or 
> stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The 
> health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is 
> important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to 
> overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies 
> on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive 
> needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will 
> snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used 
> to while driving.
>
> When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was 
> initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early 
> Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units 
> three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a 
> combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing 
> desired.
>
> It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32% 
> gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by 
> Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed 
> for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some 
> research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy 
> "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the 
> chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a 
> smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction 
> units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450 
> lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
>
> I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings 
> about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this 
> huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally, 
> there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted 
> the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later 
> about 450.
>
> Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one 
> rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme 
> pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They 
> supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not 
> unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it 
> works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not 
> release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper 
> 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and 
> history to ponder. Hank
>

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