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Good question on just what was the sequence of events that led to the =
ignition switches being left =E2=80=98on=E2=80=99. =20
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One clue might be in something I neglected to mention in my prior post: =
they also drained the fuel tanks. And by drained, I mean every drop of =
fuel! At least one car leaked out of the fuel tank drain on refueling, =
because the drain plug had not been secured after the draining.
=20
If you think it through, I bet they didn=E2=80=99t drive them into the =
container and then do the de-fueling in the confines of the container. =
Rather, drain the fuel or pump it out before pushing the car in and =
securing it. This sequence would provide more opportunity for the key to =
be left on. In the end, we do know how the cars arrived, but not how =
they got that way. Ah, the joys of travel!!
=20
----------------
All the best,
=20
Al Fuller
=20
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>=20
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:52 AM
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Cc: alfuller194@gmail.com; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump
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re: "He said "When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several =
hadignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master =
switch
also left on" which would explain why the batteries were run down."
Dang. Missed that (still on my first cup of coffee). But, how do they =
shut their engines down if they leave the ignition on? That's one =
screw-up I've never managed in 55 years of driving (sometimes, it's hard =
to shut them down even with the ignition turned off). They would have =
had to leave their keys in the ignition; is that required for shipping?
re: "Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts were =
closed would not that contribute to current drain, if not a burned set =
of points?"
The points should be able to handle the load, limited by coil impedance; =
it's when opening the points suffer erosion. The coil would likely be =
damaged, though, since without the engine running the primary coil =
circuit is almost a dead short (usually 1-3 ohms impedance).
On 7/30/2023 7:37 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:
Bob--
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He said "When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several had
ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master =
switch
also left on" which would explain why the batteries were run down. =20
=20
Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts were =
closed would not that contribute to current drain, if not a burned set =
of points?
=20
On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 10:17=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell =
That's kinda odd; did they leave GPSs or some other electronics on?=20
Nothing on a stock Healey should be drawing current with the key off.=20
I've left the cutoff 'on' for months without draining a battery.
'Modern' cars are a different story; they'll run a battery down in a few =
weeks, with anti-theft, remote unlock, etc. drawing current=20
continuously. Also, I think battery quality has gone downhill overall=20
since most are now produced in Mexico.
On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, alfuller194@gmail.com =
> Humm - low battery causing the pump to effectively 'stall' is =
something to
> think about...
>
> On a related note, I have my fingers crossed for my own battery! The =
car is
> due to be shipped back from Norway any day now, returning from the =
European
> Healey Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several =
had
> ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master =
switch
> also left on. The result was several of the cars needed new batteries =
before
> going anywhere. This was despite most everyone having printed =
'starting and
> storing instructions' in the car calling for the battery master switch =
to be
> used. Like I said - fingers crossed...
>
> As to the Healey Meet - great roads! One of my favorites is =
Trollstigen
> ['Troll's Ladder']. For a sample, see:
> https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/
>
> ----------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump
>
> Conceivably--note: 'conceivably'--less than 12V at the pump would =
leave the
> electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the diaphragm and =
open the
> points (or electronic circuit) to stop current flow. You'd still have
> current flowing through the electromagnet, which could overheat and, =
well,
> fry.
>
>
> On 7/28/2023 2:37 PM, alfuller194@gmail.com =
>> Jim - I don't recall those messages, so maybe someone with more
>> knowledge than me can respond.
>>
>> That said, I don't see how a low or dead battery would damage a fuel
>> pump. I would think the pump would see just the circuit as unpowered
>> and not work, but not suffer for the experience...
>>
>> ----------------
>> All the best,
>>
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
>> healeymanjim
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:47 AM
>> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump
>>
>> i have seen messages on the list where folks have stated that low
>> battery can cause problems with solid state fuel pump. the battery i
>> replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over even with plugs
>> removed. any info on this anyplace on the internet?
>>
>
>
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Good question on just what was =
the sequence of events that led to the ignition switches being left =
=E2=80=98on=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>One clue =
might be in something I neglected to mention in my prior post: they also =
drained the fuel tanks. And by drained, I mean every drop of fuel! At =
least one car leaked out of the fuel tank drain on refueling, because =
the drain plug had not been secured after the draining.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If you think =
it through, I bet they didn=E2=80=99t drive them into the container and =
then do the de-fueling in the confines of the container. Rather, drain =
the fuel or pump it out before pushing the car in and securing it. This =
sequence would provide more opportunity for the key to be left on. In =
the end, we do know how the cars arrived, but not how they got that =
way.=C2=A0 Ah, the joys of travel!!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>----------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Bob Spidell =
<bspidell@comcast.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:52 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Oritt =
<michael.oritt@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> alfuller194@gmail.com; =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] fuel =
pump<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>re: "<span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>He said </span><i><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>"When the cars arrived in Norway in early =
June, several hadignition switches left in the 'on' position and the =
battery master switch</span></i><span style=3D'color:blue'><br><i>also =
left on<span class=3Dgmaildefault>"</span></i><span =
class=3Dgmaildefault> which would explain why the batteries were =
run down."</span><br><br><span class=3Dgmaildefault>Dang. Missed =
that (still on my first cup of coffee). But, how do they shut their =
engines down if they leave the ignition on? That's one screw-up I've =
never managed in 55 years of driving (sometimes, it's hard to shut them =
down even with the ignition turned off). They would have had to leave =
their keys in the ignition; is that required for =
shipping?</span><br><br><span class=3Dgmaildefault>re: "Also, if =
any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts were closed would =
not that contribute to current drain, if not a burned set of =
points?"</span><br><br><span class=3Dgmaildefault>The points should =
be able to handle the load, limited by coil impedance; it's when opening =
the points suffer erosion. The coil would likely be damaged, though, =
since without the engine running the primary coil circuit is almost a =
dead short (usually 1-3 ohms =
impedance).</span><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/30/2023 7:37 AM, Michael Oritt =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Bob--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>He said </span><i><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>"When the cars arrived in Norway in early =
June, several had</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'color:blue'>ignition switches left =
in the 'on' position and the battery master switch</span></i><span =
style=3D'color:blue'><br><i>also left on<span =
class=3Dgmaildefault>"</span></i><span =
class=3Dgmaildefault> which would explain why the batteries were =
run down. </span></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dgmaildefault><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and =
the contacts were closed would not that contribute to current drain, if =
not a burned set of points?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 10:17=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>That's kinda odd; did they leave GPSs or =
some other electronics on? <br>Nothing on a stock Healey should be =
drawing current with the key off. <br>I've left the cutoff 'on' for =
months without draining a battery.<br><br>'Modern' cars are a different =
story; they'll run a battery down in a few <br>weeks, with anti-theft, =
remote unlock, etc. drawing current <br>continuously. Also, I think =
battery quality has gone downhill overall <br>since most are now =
produced in Mexico.<br><br><br>On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>> Humm - low =
battery causing the pump to effectively 'stall' is something to<br>> =
think about...<br>><br>> On a related note, I have my fingers =
crossed for my own battery! The car is<br>> due to be shipped =
back from Norway any day now, returning from the European<br>> Healey =
Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several had<br>> =
ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master =
switch<br>> also left on. The result was several of the cars needed =
new batteries before<br>> going anywhere. This was despite most =
everyone having printed 'starting and<br>> storing instructions' in =
the car calling for the battery master switch to be<br>> used. =
Like I said - fingers crossed...<br>><br>> As to the Healey Meet - =
great roads! One of my favorites is Trollstigen<br>> ['Troll's =
Ladder']. For a sample, see:<br>> <a =
href=3D"https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/"; =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/</a><br=
>><br>> ----------------<br>> All the best,<br>><br>> Al =
Fuller<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Healeys =
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of =
Bob Spidell<br>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM<br>> To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: =
[Healeys] fuel pump<br>><br>> Conceivably--note: =
'conceivably'--less than 12V at the pump would leave the<br>> =
electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the diaphragm and open =
the<br>> points (or electronic circuit) to stop current flow. You'd =
still have<br>> current flowing through the electromagnet, which =
could overheat and, well,<br>> fry.<br>><br>><br>> On =
7/28/2023 2:37 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>>> Jim - I =
don't recall those messages, so maybe someone with more<br>>> =
knowledge than me can respond.<br>>><br>>> That said, I =
don't see how a low or dead battery would damage a fuel<br>>> =
pump. I would think the pump would see just the circuit as =
unpowered<br>>> and not work, but not suffer for the =
experience...<br>>><br>>> ----------------<br>>> All =
the best,<br>>><br>>> Al Fuller<br>>><br>>> =
-----Original Message-----<br>>> From: Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf =
Of<br>>> healeymanjim<br>>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 =
10:47 AM<br>>> To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>>> Subject: =
[Healeys] fuel pump<br>>><br>>> i have seen messages on the =
list where folks have stated that low<br>>> battery can cause =
problems with solid state fuel pump. the battery i<br>>> =
replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over even with =
plugs<br>>> removed. any info on this anyplace on the =
internet?<br>>><br>><br>><br><br>____________________________=
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