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re: "He said /"When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several
had//ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master
switch/
/also left on//"/Â which would explain why the batteries were run down."
Dang. Missed that (still on my first cup of coffee). But, how do they
shut their engines down if they leave the ignition on? That's one
screw-up I've never managed in 55 years of driving (sometimes, it's hard
to shut them down even with the ignition turned off). They would have
had to leave their keys in the ignition; is that required for shipping?
re: "Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts were
closed would not that contribute to current drain, if not a burned set
of points?"
The points should be able to handle the load, limited by coil impedance;
it's when opening the points suffer erosion. The coil would likely be
damaged, though, since without the engine running the primary coil
circuit is almost a dead short(usually 1-3 ohms impedance).
On 7/30/2023 7:37 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:
> Bob--
>
> He said /"When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several had/
> /ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master
> switch/
> /also left on//"/Â which would explain why the batteries were run down.
>
> Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts were
> closed would not that contribute to current drain, if not a burned set
> of points?
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 10:17â?¯AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> That's kinda odd; did they leave GPSs or some other electronics on?
> Nothing on a stock Healey should be drawing current with the key off.
> I've left the cutoff 'on' for months without draining a battery.
>
> 'Modern' cars are a different story; they'll run a battery down in
> a few
> weeks, with anti-theft, remote unlock, etc. drawing current
> continuously. Also, I think battery quality has gone downhill overall
> since most are now produced in Mexico.
>
>
> On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, alfuller194@gmail.com wrote:
> > Humm - low battery causing the pump to effectively 'stall' is
> something to
> > think about...
> >
> > On a related note, I have my fingers crossed for my own
> battery! The car is
> > due to be shipped back from Norway any day now, returning from
> the European
> > Healey Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early June,
> several had
> > ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery
> master switch
> > also left on. The result was several of the cars needed new
> batteries before
> > going anywhere. This was despite most everyone having printed
> 'starting and
> > storing instructions' in the car calling for the battery master
> switch to be
> > used. Like I said - fingers crossed...
> >
> > As to the Healey Meet - great roads! One of my favorites is
> Trollstigen
> > ['Troll's Ladder']. For a sample, see:
> > https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/
> >
> > ----------------
> > All the best,
> >
> > Al Fuller
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
> Spidell
> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM
> > To: healeys@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump
> >
> > Conceivably--note: 'conceivably'--less than 12V at the pump
> would leave the
> > electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the diaphragm
> and open the
> > points (or electronic circuit) to stop current flow. You'd still
> have
> > current flowing through the electromagnet, which could overheat
> and, well,
> > fry.
> >
> >
> > On 7/28/2023 2:37 PM, alfuller194@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Jim - I don't recall those messages, so maybe someone with more
> >> knowledge than me can respond.
> >>
> >> That said, I don't see how a low or dead battery would damage a
> fuel
> >> pump. I would think the pump would see just the circuit as
> unpowered
> >> and not work, but not suffer for the experience...
> >>
> >> ----------------
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Al Fuller
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
> >> healeymanjim
> >> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:47 AM
> >> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> >> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump
> >>
> >> i have seen messages on the list where folks have stated that low
> >> battery can cause problems with solid state fuel pump. the
> battery i
> >> replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over even with
> plugs
> >> removed. any info on this anyplace on the internet?
> >>
> >
> >
>
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re: "<span style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">He said </span><font
color="#0000ff"><i>"When the cars arrived in Norway in early June,
several had</i></font><font color="#0000ff"><i>ignition switches
left in the 'on' position and the battery master switch</i><br>
<i>also left on</i><span class="gmail_default" style=""><i>"</i>Â which
would explain why the batteries were run down."<br>
<br>
Dang. Missed that (still on my first cup of coffee). But, how do
they shut their engines down if they leave the ignition on?
That's one screw-up I've never managed in 55 years of driving
(sometimes, it's hard to shut them down even with the ignition
turned off). They would have had to leave their keys in the
ignition; is that required for shipping?<br>
<br>
re: "</span></font><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="gmail_default" style="">Also, if any of the cars had
points ignitions and the contacts were closed would not that
contribute to current drain, if not a burned set of points?"<br>
<br>
The points should be able to handle the load, limited by
coil impedance; it's when opening the points suffer erosion.
The coil would likely be damaged, though, since without the
engine running the primary coil circuit is almost a dead
short</span></font></span></font><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="gmail_default" style=""> (usually 1-3 ohms
impedance)</span></font></span></font>.<br>
<br>
</span></font><br>
</span></font>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/30/2023 7:37 AM, Michael Oritt
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">Bob--</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style=""><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">He said </span><font
color="#0000ff"><i>"When the cars arrived in Norway in early
June, several had</i></font></div>
<font color="#0000ff"><i>ignition switches left in the 'on'
position and the battery master switch</i><br>
<i>also left on</i><span class="gmail_default"
style=""><i>"</i>Â which
would explain why the batteries were run down.  </span></font>
<div><font color="#0000ff"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff"><span class="gmail_default" style="">Also,
if any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts
were closed would not that contribute to current drain, if
not a burned set of points?</span></font></div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at
10:17â?¯AM Bob Spidell <<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">That's
kinda odd; did they leave GPSs or some other electronics on? <br>
Nothing on a stock Healey should be drawing current with the
key off. <br>
I've left the cutoff 'on' for months without draining a
battery.<br>
<br>
'Modern' cars are a different story; they'll run a battery
down in a few <br>
weeks, with anti-theft, remote unlock, etc. drawing current <br>
continuously. Also, I think battery quality has gone downhill
overall <br>
since most are now produced in Mexico.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, <a href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>
wrote:<br>
> Humm - low battery causing the pump to effectively
'stall' is something to<br>
> think about...<br>
><br>
> On a related note, I have my fingers crossed for my own
battery! The car is<br>
> due to be shipped back from Norway any day now, returning
from the European<br>
> Healey Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early
June, several had<br>
> ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the
battery master switch<br>
> also left on. The result was several of the cars needed
new batteries before<br>
> going anywhere. This was despite most everyone having
printed 'starting and<br>
> storing instructions' in the car calling for the battery
master switch to be<br>
> used. Like I said - fingers crossed...<br>
><br>
> As to the Healey Meet - great roads! One of my favorites
is Trollstigen<br>
> ['Troll's Ladder']. For a sample, see:<br>
> <a
href="https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/";
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/</a><br>
><br>
> ----------------<br>
> All the best,<br>
><br>
> Al Fuller<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump<br>
><br>
> Conceivably--note: 'conceivably'--less than 12V at the
pump would leave the<br>
> electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the
diaphragm and open the<br>
> points (or electronic circuit) to stop current flow.
You'd still have<br>
> current flowing through the electromagnet, which could
overheat and, well,<br>
> fry.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 7/28/2023 2:37 PM, <a
href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>
wrote:<br>
>> Jim - I don't recall those messages, so maybe someone
with more<br>
>> knowledge than me can respond.<br>
>><br>
>> That said, I don't see how a low or dead battery
would damage a fuel<br>
>> pump. I would think the pump would see just the
circuit as unpowered<br>
>> and not work, but not suffer for the experience...<br>
>><br>
>> ----------------<br>
>> All the best,<br>
>><br>
>> Al Fuller<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
On Behalf Of<br>
>> healeymanjim<br>
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:47 AM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
>> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump<br>
>><br>
>> i have seen messages on the list where folks have
stated that low<br>
>> battery can cause problems with solid state fuel
pump. the battery i<br>
>> replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over
even with plugs<br>
>> removed. any info on this anyplace on the internet?<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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