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Re: [Healeys] Heater query

To: Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query
From: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:42:28 -0700
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Bob,

As long as the side baffles are fitted properly the fan will not have any
issues pulling air through the rad. The fan does little for air flow at
anything above 15 mph.

Harold

On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.ne=
t> wrote:

> As the cores become denser, I wonder if the stock fan is able to pull
> sufficient air through the radiator.
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>
> On 7/11/23 12:40, Harold Manifold wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
> I had the same options when restoring my Mk1 BT7. I looked into aluminum
> radiators extensively to see what the benefits might be. Contrary to
> popular belief it is not better heat transfer properties of the materials=
.
> The copper radiator fins on the original Healey radiators have much bette=
r
> thermal conductivity than aluminum. The advantage of the aluminum radiato=
r
> is the manufacturing process and the formability of modern aluminum. The
> result is more tube and fin area. I estimated a Wizard radiator has about
> 25% more fin area than the stock radiator. The greater the fin area the
> better to expel heat.
>
> Having said that, there is a third option which is to replace the origina=
l
> core with a high efficiency core. This retains the stock look of the engi=
ne
> bay and will be close in performance to the aluminum radiator. The high
> efficiency core option will be more expensive than a Wizard radiator and
> the difficulty is finding a radiator shop that can access the core can do
> the work.
>
> This website has a good overview: https://usradiator.com/cores
>
> Harold
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 9:12=E2=80=AFAM warthodson--- via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> My 100 radiator is in need of some rehabilitation. It either needs to be
>> boiled out, which would not replace some of the damaged fins, or re-core=
d.
>> I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more expensive, which le=
ads
>> to the aluminum option.
>> Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of these options? Does anyone
>> know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficient than an aluminum radiato=
r?
>> Gary H
>>
>> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via Healeys <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I live in the sunny South (90=C2=B0 F and 90% relative humidity today) a=
nd I
>> used to refer to my BJ8=E2=80=99s heater as the =E2=80=9Cauxiliary engin=
e cooler=E2=80=9D; but I no
>> longer have to use  it that way since I had a modern core installed in t=
he
>> radiator and added a 190=C2=B0 sleeved thermostat that I bought from Kee=
s.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Byers
>>
>> HBJ8L/36666
>>
>> BJ8 Registry
>>
>> AHCA Delegate at Large
>>
>> Havelock, NC  USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob,<div><br></div><div>As long as the side baffles are fi=
tted properly the fan will not have any issues pulling air through the rad.=
 The fan does little for air flow at anything above 15 mph.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Harold</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Bob Haskell &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net";>rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <p>As the cores become denser, I wonder if the stock fan is able to
      pull sufficient air through the radiator.<br>
    </p>
    <pre cols=3D"72">Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar</pre>
    <div>On 7/11/23 12:40, Harold Manifold
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Gary,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I had the same options when restoring my Mk1 BT7. I looked
          into aluminum radiators extensively to see what the benefits
          might be. Contrary to popular belief it is not better heat
          transfer properties of the materials. The copper radiator fins
          on the original Healey radiators have much better thermal
          conductivity=C2=A0than aluminum. The advantage of the aluminum
          radiator is the manufacturing=C2=A0process and the formability of
          modern aluminum. The result is more tube and fin area. I
          estimated a Wizard radiator has about 25% more fin area than
          the stock=C2=A0radiator. The greater the fin area the better to
          expel=C2=A0heat.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Having said that, there is a third=C2=A0option which is to
          replace the original core with a high efficiency core. This
          retains the stock look of the engine bay and will be close in
          performance to the aluminum radiator. The high efficiency core
          option will be more expensive=C2=A0than a Wizard radiator and the
          difficulty is finding a radiator shop that can access the core
          can do the work.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>This website has a good overview:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://usra=
diator.com/cores" target=3D"_blank">https://usradiator.com/cores</a></div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Harold</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at
          9:12=E2=80=AFAM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h=
ealeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div>
            <div>
              <div dir=3D"ltr">My 100 radiator is in need of some
                rehabilitation. It either needs to be boiled out, which
                would not replace some of the damaged fins, or re-cored.
                I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more
                expensive, which leads to the aluminum option.=C2=A0=C2=A0<=
/div>
              <div dir=3D"ltr">Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of
                these options? Does anyone know if re-cored 100 radiator
                is more efficient than an aluminum radiator?</div>
              <div dir=3D"ltr">Gary H</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div id=3D"m_1223842865389656808m_-2269323291578053413ydp70f131=
6yahoo_quoted_9797011705">
              <div>
                <div> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT,
                  BJ8Healeys via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                  wrote: </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div id=3D"m_1223842865389656808m_-2269323291578053413ydp=
70f1316yiv6075989256">
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">I live in
                            the sunny South (90</span><span style=3D"color:=
rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"> F and 90=
%
                            relative
                            humidity today) and I used to refer to my
                            BJ8=E2=80=99s heater as the =E2=80=9Cauxiliary =
engine
                            cooler=E2=80=9D; but I no longer have to use=C2=
=A0 it
                            that way since I had a modern core
                            installed in the radiator and added a 190</span=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"> sleeved
                            thermostat that I bought from Kees.</span></p>
                        <p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"> =C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
                        <p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Steve
                            Byers</span></p>
                        <p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">HBJ8L/36666=
</span></p>
                        <p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">BJ8
                            Registry</span></p>
                        <p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">AHCA
                            Delegate at Large</span></p>
                        <p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Havelock,
                            NC=C2=A0 USA</span></p>
                        <p><a shape=3D"rect" name=3D"m_1223842865389656808_=
m_-2269323291578053413__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)=
"> =C2=A0</span></a></p>
                        <div id=3D"m_1223842865389656808m_-2269323291578053=
413ydp70f1316yiv6075989256yqt99156">
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one;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in =
0in">
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
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