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Re: [Healeys] Heater query

To: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>, "warthodson@aol.com" <warthodson@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query
From: Bob Haskell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 17:19:20 -0400
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As the cores become denser, I wonder if the stock fan is able to pull 
sufficient air through the radiator.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 7/11/23 12:40, Harold Manifold wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I had the same options when restoring my Mk1 BT7. I looked into 
> aluminum radiators extensively to see what the benefits might be. 
> Contrary to popular belief it is not better heat transfer properties 
> of the materials. The copper radiator fins on the original Healey 
> radiators have much better thermal conductivity than aluminum. The 
> advantage of the aluminum radiator is the manufacturing process and 
> the formability of modern aluminum. The result is more tube and fin 
> area. I estimated a Wizard radiator has about 25% more fin area than 
> the stock radiator. The greater the fin area the better to expel heat.
>
> Having said that, there is a third option which is to replace the 
> original core with a high efficiency core. This retains the stock look 
> of the engine bay and will be close in performance to the aluminum 
> radiator. The high efficiency core option will be more expensive than 
> a Wizard radiator and the difficulty is finding a radiator shop that 
> can access the core can do the work.
>
> This website has a good overview: https://usradiator.com/cores
>
> Harold
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 9:12â?¯AM warthodson--- via Healeys 
> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     My 100 radiator is in need of some rehabilitation. It either needs
>     to be boiled out, which would not replace some of the damaged
>     fins, or re-cored. I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be
>     more expensive, which leads to the aluminum option.
>     Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of these options? Does
>     anyone know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficient than an
>     aluminum radiator?
>     Gary H
>
>     On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via
>     Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>     I live in the sunny South (90°F and 90% relative humidity today)
>     and I used to refer to my BJ8â??s heater as the â??auxiliary engine
>     coolerâ??; but I no longer have to use  it that way since I had a
>     modern core installed in the radiator and added a 190°sleeved
>     thermostat that I bought from Kees.
>
>     Steve Byers
>
>     HBJ8L/36666
>
>     BJ8 Registry
>
>     AHCA Delegate at Large
>
>     Havelock, NC  USA
>
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    <p>As the cores become denser, I wonder if the stock fan is able to
      pull sufficient air through the radiator.<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/23 12:40, Harold Manifold
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Gary,
        <div><br>
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        <div>I had the same options when restoring my Mk1 BT7. I looked
          into aluminum radiators extensively to see what the benefits
          might be. Contrary to popular belief it is not better heat
          transfer properties of the materials. The copper radiator fins
          on the original Healey radiators have much better thermal
          conductivity than aluminum. The advantage of the aluminum
          radiator is the manufacturing process and the formability of
          modern aluminum. The result is more tube and fin area. I
          estimated a Wizard radiator has about 25% more fin area than
          the stock radiator. The greater the fin area the better to
          expel heat.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Having said that, there is a third option which is to
          replace the original core with a high efficiency core. This
          retains the stock look of the engine bay and will be close in
          performance to the aluminum radiator. The high efficiency core
          option will be more expensive than a Wizard radiator and the
          difficulty is finding a radiator shop that can access the core
          can do the work.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>This website has a good overview: <a
            href="https://usradiator.com/cores"; moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://usradiator.com/cores</a></div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Harold</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at
          9:12â?¯AM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
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              <div dir="ltr">My 100 radiator is in need of some
                rehabilitation. It either needs to be boiled out, which
                would not replace some of the damaged fins, or re-cored.
                I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more
                expensive, which leads to the aluminum option.  </div>
              <div dir="ltr">Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of
                these options? Does anyone know if re-cored 100 radiator
                is more efficient than an aluminum radiator?</div>
              <div dir="ltr">Gary H</div>
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                <div> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT,
                  BJ8Healeys via Healeys &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" 
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
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                        <p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I live in
                            the sunny South (90</span><span
                            style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">°</span><span
                            style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> F and 90%
                            relative
                            humidity today) and I used to refer to my
                            BJ8â??s heater as the â??auxiliary engine
                            coolerâ??; but I no longer have to use  it
                            that way since I had a modern core
                            installed in the radiator and added a 
190</span><span
                            style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">°</span><span
                            style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> sleeved
                            thermostat that I bought from Kees.</span></p>
                        <p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">  </span></p>
                        <p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Steve
                            Byers</span></p>
                        <p><span 
style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">HBJ8L/36666</span></p>
                        <p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">BJ8
                            Registry</span></p>
                        <p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">AHCA
                            Delegate at Large</span></p>
                        <p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Havelock,
                            NC  USA</span></p>
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