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I second (Mirek) Joseph in all
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From: josef-eckert@t-online.de <josef-eckert@t-online.de>=20
Sent: March 19, 2023 10:25 AM
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>; m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: AW: [Healeys] Plugs
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I do not care what kind of noices are in nearby vehicles.
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-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Plugs
Datum: 2023-03-19T15:15:37+0100
Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com =
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"I always thought the resistor plugs were to introduced to suppress =
interference with car radios, which I don=E2=80=99t have,"
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They also eliminate your ignition's noise in nearby vehicles.
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Best--Michael Oritt
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:11=E2=80=AFAM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys =
I do exactly what Bob does with my BT7 except I use a non-resistor plug =
=E2=80=93 Champion N12YC and 0.028=E2=80=9D gap. I too use a Lucas =
Sports coil. I always thought the resistor plugs were to introduced to =
supress interference with car radios, which I don=E2=80=99t have, but I =
am happy to be corrected on that. I think plugs are unnecessarily =
changed too frequently. I remove them once in a while (every few years) =
and clean and check the gaps. I run them until they shows signs of =
deterioration. I have never had a plug fail me in the Healey.
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Mirek
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: March 18, 2023 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Plugs
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I've run over 150K miles on Champion plugs with nary an issue (and will =
continue to do so); RN12YC for the BJ8 and whatever the recommended is =
for a 100M (RN10C?). With Pertronix Ignitors in both, I run slightly =
over 'book' value (0.025") at 0.028" and both run very well (I also run =
stranded copper wire secondaries, so the 'R' is important, plus the plug =
caps have a resistor in them as well). My one-time auto shop teacher =
father maintained whatever spark was sufficient to ignite the mixture =
was adequate--mixture and compression took it from there--but a larger =
gap induces a 'hotter' spark which may be beneficial with leaner =
mixtures and at higher engine RPM (but has less margin as the electrode =
erodes). A larger gap requires the coil to produce more secondary =
voltage to jump the gap; a sports coil may be required to produce a =
consistent spark. 12K miles on plugs is fine in my experience--as long =
as the engine is in good nick--and they can be cleaned and re-gapped at =
least once. Sandblasting is a no-no as it will pit the ceramic insulator =
and can cause issues.=20
I came across a YouTube video by David Vizard where he claims E3 Diamond =
'Split Fire' plugs produced slightly better mileage; yep, E3 makes a =
plug for Big Healeys (6-cyl only, I think). I've heard rumors that =
counterfeit NGK plugs are in the market.
On 3/18/2023 9:49 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
Here=E2=80=99s a can of worms that we haven=E2=80=99t delved into for a =
while=E2=80=A6.
So, I=E2=80=99m trying to get all my ducks in a row for a short run =
abroad. Car is a MkII BT7 with a DW fast road cam, 3 HD6s, big bore 6 =
branch and 123Ignition plus a so-called Sports Coil.
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1. I was looking through my library of files on Healey topics and saw =
that we were all over the place on plug gaps=E2=80=A6..all the way up to =
0.035=E2=80=9D. So what=E2=80=99s the opinion there??
2. And which plug? Seemed to be mostly between NGK=E2=80=99s BP6ES & =
BP5ES. Was a hold-out for their B8EGV 5627 but that was dismissed =
fairly vigorously by Jeremy Welch as being way OTT for normal road use.
3. And, I have 12,000 miles+++ as plug replacement mileage so long as =
they still look and perform OK. Any thoughts?
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Thanks, Simon
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
second (Mirek) Joseph in all</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> =
josef-eckert@t-online.de <josef-eckert@t-online.de> =
<br><b>Sent:</b> March 19, 2023 10:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Oritt =
<michael.oritt@gmail.com>; m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca<br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> AW: [Healeys] =
Plugs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
do not care what kind of noices are</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> =
in nearby vehicles.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Plugs<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'>Datum: 2023-03-19T15:15:37+0100<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'>Von: "Michael Oritt" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>><o=
:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'>An: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>" =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>><o:p=
></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0cm'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>&q=
uot;I always thought the resistor plugs were to introduced to suppress =
interference with car radios, which I don=E2=80=99t =
have,"</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>--=
---------------------------------------------------</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Th=
ey also eliminate your ignition's noise in nearby =
vehicles.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>&n=
bsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Be=
st--Michael Oritt</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF'><o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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bsp;</span><span =
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:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:11=E2=80=AFAM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
do exactly what Bob does with my BT7 except I use a non-resistor plug =
=E2=80=93 Champion N12YC and 0.028=E2=80=9D gap. I too use a Lucas =
Sports coil. I always thought the resistor plugs were to =
introduced to supress interference with car radios, which I =
don=E2=80=99t have, but I am happy to be corrected on that. =
I think plugs are unnecessarily changed too frequently. I =
remove them once in a while (every few years) and clean and check the =
gaps. I run them until they shows signs of deterioration. I =
have never had a plug fail me in the Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mire=
k<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From=
:</span></strong><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On =
Behalf Of </span></strong>Bob Spidell<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> March 18, =
2023 2:17 PM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><str=
ong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: =
[Healeys] Plugs</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I've=
run over 150K miles on Champion plugs with nary an issue (and will =
continue to do so); RN12YC for the BJ8 and whatever the recommended is =
for a 100M (RN10C?). With Pertronix Ignitors in both, I run slightly =
over 'book' value (0.025") at 0.028" and both run very well (I =
also run stranded copper wire secondaries, so the 'R' is important, plus =
the plug caps have a resistor in them as well). My one-time auto shop =
teacher father maintained whatever spark was sufficient to ignite the =
mixture was adequate--mixture and compression took it from there--but a =
larger gap induces a 'hotter' spark which may be beneficial with leaner =
mixtures and at higher engine RPM (but has less margin as the electrode =
erodes). A larger gap requires the coil to produce more secondary =
voltage to jump the gap; a sports coil may be required to produce a =
consistent spark. 12K miles on plugs is fine in my experience--as long =
as the engine is in good nick--and they can be cleaned and re-gapped at =
least once. Sandblasting is a no-no as it will pit the ceramic insulator =
and can cause issues. <br><br>I came across a YouTube video by David =
Vizard where he claims E3 Diamond 'Split Fire' plugs produced slightly =
better mileage; yep, E3 makes a plug for Big Healeys (6-cyl only, I =
think). I've heard rumors that counterfeit NGK plugs are in the =
market.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
3/18/2023 9:49 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif;color:black'>Here=
=E2=80=99s a can of worms that we haven=E2=80=99t delved into for a =
while=E2=80=A6.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif;color:black'>So, =
I=E2=80=99m trying to get all my ducks in a row for a short run abroad. =
Car is a MkII BT7 with a DW fast road cam, 3 HD6s, big bore 6 branch and =
123Ignition plus a so-called Sports Coil.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif;color:black'>&nbs=
p;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><ol start=3D1 type=3D1><li =
class=3Dm4506245762485897014msolistparagraph =
style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif'>I was looking =
through my library of files on Healey topics and saw that we were all =
over the place on plug gaps=E2=80=A6..all the way up to 0.035=E2=80=9D. =
So what=E2=80=99s the opinion there??</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></li><li class=3Dm4506245762485897014msolistparagraph =
style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif'>And which plug? =
Seemed to be mostly between NGK=E2=80=99s BP6ES & BP5ES. Was a =
hold-out for their B8EGV 5627</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> but =
that</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif'> was dismissed =
fairly vigorously by Jeremy Welch as being way OTT for normal road =
use.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></li><li class=3Dm4506245762485897014msolistparagraph =
style=3D'color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif'>And, I have =
12,000 miles+++ as plug replacement mileage so long as they still look =
and perform OK. Any thoughts?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></li></ol><p class=3Dm4506245762485897014msolistparagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif;color:black'>&nbs=
p;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dm4506245762485897014msolistparagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"&quot",serif;color:black'>Than=
ks, Simon</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbs=
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style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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