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To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>, m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Plugs
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 08:42:18 -0700
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I suspect, but don't know for a fact, that resistor plugs limit some of 
the /current/ to the plug, and may somewhat reduce erosion of the 
terminals. The voltage drop across the resistor is inconsequential 
compared to the voltage required to jump the gap. Non-resistor plugs do 
produce a hotter spark.

https://www.championautoparts.com/Technical/Tech-Tips/decoding-champion-spark-plugs.html


On 3/19/2023 6:52 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:
> "I always thought the resistor plugs were to introduced to suppress 
> interference with car radios, which I donâ??t have,"
> -----------------------------------------------------
> They also eliminate your ignition's noise in nearby vehicles.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:11â?¯AM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys 
> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     I do exactly what Bob does with my BT7 except I use a non-resistor
>     plug â?? Champion N12YC and 0.028â?? gap.  I too use a Lucas Sports
>     coil.  I always thought the resistor plugs were to introduced to
>     supress interference with car radios, which I donâ??t have, but I am
>     happy to be corrected on that.   I think plugs are unnecessarily
>     changed too frequently. I remove them once in a while (every few
>     years) and clean and check the gaps.  I run them until they shows
>     signs of deterioration.  I have never had a plug fail me in the
>     Healey.
>
>     Mirek
>
>     *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob
>     Spidell
>     *Sent:* March 18, 2023 2:17 PM
>     *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Plugs
>
>     I've run over 150K miles on Champion plugs with nary an issue (and
>     will continue to do so); RN12YC for the BJ8 and whatever the
>     recommended is for a 100M (RN10C?). With Pertronix Ignitors in
>     both, I run slightly over 'book' value (0.025") at 0.028" and both
>     run very well (I also run stranded copper wire secondaries, so the
>     'R' is important, plus the plug caps have a resistor in them as
>     well). My one-time auto shop teacher father maintained whatever
>     spark was sufficient to ignite the mixture was adequate--mixture
>     and compression took it from there--but a larger gap induces a
>     'hotter' spark which may be beneficial with leaner mixtures and at
>     higher engine RPM (but has less margin as the electrode erodes). A
>     larger gap requires the coil to produce more secondary voltage to
>     jump the gap; a sports coil may be required to produce a
>     consistent spark. 12K miles on plugs is fine in my experience--as
>     long as the engine is in good nick--and they can be cleaned and
>     re-gapped at least once. Sandblasting is a no-no as it will pit
>     the ceramic insulator and can cause issues.
>
>     I came across a YouTube video by David Vizard where he claims E3
>     Diamond 'Split Fire' plugs produced slightly better mileage; yep,
>     E3 makes a plug for Big Healeys (6-cyl only, I think). I've heard
>     rumors that counterfeit NGK plugs are in the market.
>
>
>     On 3/18/2023 9:49 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
>
>         Hereâ??s a can of worms that we havenâ??t delved into for a whileâ?¦.
>
>         So, Iâ??m trying to get all my ducks in a row for a short run
>         abroad. Car is a MkII BT7 with a DW fast road cam, 3 HD6s, big
>         bore 6 branch and 123Ignition plus a so-called Sports Coil.
>
>          1. I was looking through my library of files on Healey topics
>             and saw that we were all over the place on plug gapsâ?¦..all
>             the way up to 0.035â??. So whatâ??s the opinion there??
>          2. And which plug? Seemed to be mostly between NGKâ??s BP6ES &
>             BP5ES. Was a hold-out for their B8EGV 5627  but thatwas
>             dismissed fairly vigorously by Jeremy Welch as being way
>             OTT for normal road use.
>          3. And, I have 12,000 miles+++ as plug replacement mileage so
>             long as they still look and perform OK. Any thoughts?
>
>         Thanks, Simon
>
>

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    I suspect, but don't know for a fact, that resistor plugs limit some
    of the <i>current</i> to the plug, and may somewhat reduce erosion
    of the terminals. The voltage drop across the resistor is
    inconsequential compared to the voltage required to jump the gap.
    Non-resistor plugs do produce a hotter spark.<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="https://www.championautoparts.com/Technical/Tech-Tips/decoding-champion-spark-plugs.html";>https://www.championautoparts.com/Technical/Tech-Tips/decoding-champion-spark-plugs.html</a><br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/19/2023 6:52 AM, Michael Oritt
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><span
            style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">"I always thought the resistor
            plugs were to introduced to suppress interference with car
            radios, which I donâ??t have,"</span><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><span
            
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">-----------------------------------------------------</span></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><span
            style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">They also eliminate your
            ignition's noise in nearby vehicles.</span></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><span
            style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><span
            style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Best--Michael Oritt</span></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><span
            style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br>
          </span></div>
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      <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at
          8:11â?¯AM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                <p class="MsoNormal">I do exactly what Bob does with my
                  BT7 except I use a non-resistor plug â?? Champion N12YC
                  and 0.028â?? gap.  I too use a Lucas Sports coil.  I
                  always thought the resistor plugs were to introduced
                  to supress interference with car radios, which I donâ??t
                  have, but I am happy to be corrected on that.   I
                  think plugs are unnecessarily changed too frequently. 
                  I remove them once in a while (every few years) and
                  clean and check the gaps.  I run them until they shows
                  signs of deterioration.  I have never had a plug fail
                  me in the Healey.</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Mirek</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span 
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        lang="EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> March 18, 2023 2:17 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a
                          href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Plugs</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I've run
                  over 150K miles on Champion plugs with nary an issue
                  (and will continue to do so); RN12YC for the BJ8 and
                  whatever the recommended is for a 100M (RN10C?). With
                  Pertronix Ignitors in both, I run slightly over 'book'
                  value (0.025") at 0.028" and both run very well (I
                  also run stranded copper wire secondaries, so the 'R'
                  is important, plus the plug caps have a resistor in
                  them as well). My one-time auto shop teacher father
                  maintained whatever spark was sufficient to ignite the
                  mixture was adequate--mixture and compression took it
                  from there--but a larger gap induces a 'hotter' spark
                  which may be beneficial with leaner mixtures and at
                  higher engine RPM (but has less margin as the
                  electrode erodes). A larger gap requires the coil to
                  produce more secondary voltage to jump the gap; a
                  sports coil may be required to produce a consistent
                  spark. 12K miles on plugs is fine in my experience--as
                  long as the engine is in good nick--and they can be
                  cleaned and re-gapped at least once. Sandblasting is a
                  no-no as it will pit the ceramic insulator and can
                  cause issues. <br>
                  <br>
                  I came across a YouTube video by David Vizard where he
                  claims E3 Diamond 'Split Fire' plugs produced slightly
                  better mileage; yep, E3 makes a plug for Big Healeys
                  (6-cyl only, I think). I've heard rumors that
                  counterfeit NGK plugs are in the market.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <span></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 3/18/2023 9:49 AM, Simon
                    Lachlan via Healeys wrote:</p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                      Roman ,serif&quot;,serif">Hereâ??s a can of worms
                      that we havenâ??t delved into for a whileâ?¦.</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                      Roman ,serif&quot;,serif">So, Iâ??m trying to get
                      all my ducks in a row for a short run abroad. Car
                      is a MkII BT7 with a DW fast road cam, 3 HD6s, big
                      bore 6 branch and 123Ignition plus a so-called
                      Sports Coil.</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                      Roman ,serif&quot;,serif"> </span></p>
                  <ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
                    <li class="m_4506245762485897014MsoListParagraph"
                      style="margin-left:0cm"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times
                        New Roman ,serif&quot;,serif">I was looking
                        through my library of files on Healey topics and
                        saw that we were all over the place on plug
                        gapsâ?¦..all the way up to 0.035â??. So whatâ??s the
                        opinion there??</span></li>
                    <li class="m_4506245762485897014MsoListParagraph"
                      style="margin-left:0cm"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times
                        New Roman ,serif&quot;,serif">And which plug?
                        Seemed to be mostly between NGKâ??s BP6ES &amp;
                        BP5ES. Was a hold-out for their B8EGV 5627</span><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">  but that</span><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times
                        New Roman ,serif&quot;,serif"> was dismissed
                        fairly vigorously by Jeremy Welch as being way
                        OTT for normal road use.</span></li>
                    <li class="m_4506245762485897014MsoListParagraph"
                      style="margin-left:0cm"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times
                        New Roman ,serif&quot;,serif">And, I have 12,000
                        miles+++ as plug replacement mileage so long as
                        they still look and perform OK. Any 
thoughts?</span></li>
                  </ol>
                  <p class="m_4506245762485897014MsoListParagraph"><span
                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                      Roman ,serif&quot;,serif"> </span></p>
                  <p class="m_4506245762485897014MsoListParagraph"><span
                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                      Roman ,serif&quot;,serif">Thanks, Simon</span></p>
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