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Although it probably won't make much difference to "heatsoak" situations
one thing that was mentioned during our local club Zoom meeting was the
idea of adding a 3rd blade to a standard 6 cyl fan, something I'd never
heard of.
This sounds like a very good idea and at least a couple of our members have
done this with outstanding results.
Slightly longer screws are recommended for securing the 3 blades to the
waterpump pulley.
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8759&campid=3D5338273189&customid=3D&icep_item=3D303033053279&ipn=3Dpsmain&=
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On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 9:11 a.m. Perry Small, <healeyguy@aol.com> wrote:
> What is the connection between vapor lock (a fuel delivery problem) and a
> gear reduction starter (consistent rotation of the crank) ?
>
> Also the key to cooling an engine via a radiator ( heat exchanger) is air
> flow. It seems correct that moving the water too quickly through the
> exchanger will limit the loss of heat from the coolant but air flow is ve=
ry
> important. The stock AH fans do not move many CFMs. Thus the reason the
> cars seem to do well, temp wise, at speed but very poorly idling along in=
a
> holiday parade!
> P
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, rfbegani@gmail.com wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> Besides all the equipment added to the engine radiator water system to
> keep my Healey from over heating, the addition of a gear reduction starte=
r
> solved all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It starts the car ev=
en
> when the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest thing since sliced brea=
d,
> if you want your wife to travel with you as generally, they do not like
> helping you push the car away from the gas pumps and standing around
> waiting for the car to start. But, if you have a wife who likes to push
> your Healey, she is a keeper.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Salter via Healeys
> *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM
> *To:* Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit
>
>
>
> Some time Richard try dribbling some cool water over the float chambers
> when the vapor occurs.
>
> I'll be interested to hear how well that works to get you on your way
> again.
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> My vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in hot weather
> as expected to some extant, not while driving; but the other day when I
> stopped to refuel, the heatsink after turning off the engine caused the
> gauge to hit 200 which vapor locks me every time. So I push back, lift th=
e
> lid and air the engine for 10-15 minutes and then it fires up. That usual=
ly
> attracts an audience which helps pass the time. :-)
> A pulley change on my car wouldn=E2=80=99t make a difference IMO.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard C
>
> BN7 440
>
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 22:32, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF Somewhat relevant, I hope: Has anyone tried putting a smaller p=
ulley on
> the water pump for more flow? Would that just make turbulence/cavitation =
in
> the pump and hose?
>
> bs
>
> On 6/3/2021 2:11 PM, Bob Begani via Healeys wrote:
>
> Hi Ira:
>
>
>
> I am not familiar with the direction of air around the radiator in the
> BN4, however, the BJ8=E2=80=99s has deflectors built in to the frame in f=
ront of
> the radiator, but, not for the wind that drops down under the radiator. =
So
> the introduction of the shovel from the frame to the radiator produces a
> hurricane velocity up and through the radiator on the BJ8. That alone
> should be sufficient to cool water. But it does not move the water very
> fast through the engine back to the radiator, especially under low rpms.
> So I have introduced an electric water pump (Aussie idea, as it does get
> hot down under) to keep the flow of water through the radiator to the
> engine through the water pump and back to the radiator. it adds 150 lite=
r
> per minute to the trickle produced by the mechanical pump. I fact one of
> the listeners commented that he could turn off the fan and just keep the
> water pump operating on highway speeds. It was easy to install using
> existing hoses cut in half going from the bottom of the radiator up to th=
e
> inlet on the engine, and 2 x 1/8th diameter holes in the thermostat to
> allow the water to flow during engine warm up.
>
>
>
> After a run, I keep both the fan/EWP operating for a few min after the
> engine shut down which helps to reduce flashing of the hot water. And, I
> have a large radiator overflow container to absorb boil over.
>
>
>
> Why do you think most cars and trucks have electric fans, overflow
> containers, and some have an electric water pump. 21st century
> technology verses our 20th century. They even have AC power steering
> etc. systems as standard equipment.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *i erbs via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 3, 2021 4:08 PM
> *To:* Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] air ducting kit
>
>
>
> I have not had my grille in my BN4 for a long time and it has become an
> identifying feature of my car. I have a grille, I just have had various
> reasons to not instal it. I like the Rally grill look and have been looki=
ng
> at the Cape International kits to accomplish the look. Plus anything that
> directs more air through the Rad cores is good .
>
> So has anyone done this or another kit?
>
> https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/
>
> https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/
>
> Ira Erbs
>
> Milwaukie,OR
>
> _______ _______
> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
> (_________________________)
>
> BT7 engine and disk brakes
>
>
>
>
>
> 1967 MGB [image: MG]
>
>
>
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
>
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Although it probably won't make much difference to &q=
uot;heatsoak" situations one thing that was mentioned during our local=
club Zoom meeting was the idea of adding a 3rd blade to a standard 6 cyl f=
an, something I'd never heard of.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">This sounds li=
ke a very good idea and at least a couple of our members have done this wit=
h outstanding results.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Slightly longer screws are re=
commended for securing the 3 blades to the waterpump pulley.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/706-53473-19255-0/1?icep=
_ff3=3D2&pub=3D5575378759&campid=3D5338273189&customid=3D&i=
cep_item=3D303033053279&ipn=3Dpsmain&icep_vectorid=3D229529&kwi=
d=3D902099&mtid=3D824&kw=3Dlg&toolid=3D11111">http://rover.ebay=
.com/rover/1/706-53473-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=3D2&pub=3D5575378759&camp=
id=3D5338273189&customid=3D&icep_item=3D303033053279&ipn=3Dpsma=
in&icep_vectorid=3D229529&kwid=3D902099&mtid=3D824&kw=3Dlg&=
amp;toolid=3D11111</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 9:11 a.m. Perry Small, <<a href=3D"mail=
to:healeyguy@aol.com">healeyguy@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">What is the connection between vapor =
lock (a fuel delivery problem) and a gear reduction starter (consistent rot=
ation of the crank) ?=C2=A0<div><br><div>Also the key to cooling an engine =
via a radiator ( heat exchanger) is air flow. It seems correct that moving =
the water too quickly through the exchanger will limit the loss of heat fro=
m the coolant but air flow is very important. The stock AH fans do not move=
many CFMs. Thus the reason the cars seem to do well, temp wise, at speed b=
ut very poorly idling along in a holiday parade!=C2=A0</div><div>P<br><br><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rfbegani@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br><=
br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial",sans-serif">Besides all the equipment added to the engine rad=
iator water system to keep my Healey from over heating, the addition of a g=
ear reduction starter solved all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. =
It starts the car even when the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest th=
ing since sliced bread, if you want your wife to travel with you as general=
ly, they do not like helping you push the car away from the gas pumps and s=
tanding around waiting for the car to start.=C2=A0 But, if you have a wife =
who likes to push your Healey, she is a keeper.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bob=
Begani<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:=
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sal=
ter via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Richard Collins <<a href=3D"mailto:gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com"; target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] air ducting=
kit<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some time Richard try dribbling some cool water=
over the float chambers when the vapor occurs.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'll be interested to hear how well that works =
to get you on your way again.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">M<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins =
via Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;pad=
ding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">My vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in h=
ot weather as expected to some extant, not while driving; but the other day=
when I stopped to refuel, the heatsink after turning off the engine caused=
the gauge to hit 200 which vapor locks me every time. So I push back, lift=
the lid and air the engine for 10-15 minutes and then it fires up. That us=
ually attracts an audience which helps pass the time. =C2=A0 :-)<br>A pulle=
y change on my car wouldn=E2=80=99t make a difference IMO. <u></u><u></u></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Regards, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Richard C<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BN7 440<u></u><u></u></p></=
div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote=
style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jun 3, 2021, at 22:32, Bob Spidell <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bspi=
dell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><blockq=
uote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=EF=BB=BF Somewhat relevant, I hope: Ha=
s anyone tried putting a smaller pulley on the water pump for more flow? Wo=
uld that just make turbulence/cavitation in the pump and hose?<br><br>bs<br=
><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 6/3/2021 2:11 PM, Bob=
Begani via Healeys wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"marg=
in-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Ira:</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;=
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Aria=
l",sans-serif">I am not familiar with the direction of air around the =
radiator in the BN4, however, the BJ8=E2=80=99s has deflectors built in to =
the frame in front of the radiator, but, not for the wind that drops down u=
nder the radiator.=C2=A0 So the introduction of the shovel from the frame t=
o the radiator produces a hurricane velocity up and through the radiator on=
the BJ8. That alone should be sufficient to cool water.=C2=A0 But it does =
not move the water very fast through the engine back to the radiator, espec=
ially under low rpms.=C2=A0 So I have introduced an electric water pump (Au=
ssie idea, as it does get hot down under) to keep the flow of water through=
the radiator to the engine through the water pump and back to the radiator=
.=C2=A0 it adds 150 liter per minute to the trickle produced by the mechani=
cal pump.=C2=A0 I fact one of the listeners commented that he could turn of=
f the fan and just keep the water pump operating on highway speeds. It was =
easy to install using existing hoses cut in half going from the bottom of t=
he radiator up to the inlet on the engine, and 2 x 1/8<sup>th</sup> diamete=
r holes in the thermostat to allow the water to flow during engine warm up.=
</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"=
;Arial",sans-serif">After a run, I keep both the fan/EWP operating for=
a few min after the engine shut down which helps to reduce flashing of the=
hot water.=C2=A0 And, I have a large radiator overflow container to absorb=
boil over.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Arial",sans-serif">Why do you think most cars and trucks h=
ave electric fans, overflow containers, and some have an electric water pum=
p.=C2=A0 21<sup>st</sup> century technology verses our 20<sup>th</sup> cent=
ury.=C2=A0 They even have AC power steering etc. systems as standard equipm=
ent.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bob Bega=
ni</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial",sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:so=
lid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From=
:</b> Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a> <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>i erbs via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 3, 2021 4:0=
8 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ahealey help <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br><=
b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] air ducting kit<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have=
not had my grille in my BN4 for a long time and it has become an identifyi=
ng feature of my car. I have a grille, I just have had various reasons to n=
ot instal it. I like the Rally grill look and have been looking at the Cape=
International kits to accomplish the look. Plus anything that directs more=
air through the Rad cores is good .<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">So has anyone done this or another kit?<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://cape-international.com/pa=
rts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/</a>=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://cape=
-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/<=
/a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ira Erbs<u></u>=
<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Milwaukie,OR<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roma=
n",serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0_______<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ ____=
___)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
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