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What is the connection between vapor lock (a fuel delivery problem) and a ge=
ar reduction starter (consistent rotation of the crank) ?=20
Also the key to cooling an engine via a radiator ( heat exchanger) is air fl=
ow. It seems correct that moving the water too quickly through the exchanger=
will limit the loss of heat from the coolant but air flow is very important=
. The stock AH fans do not move many CFMs. Thus the reason the cars seem to d=
o well, temp wise, at speed but very poorly idling along in a holiday parade=
!=20
P
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, rfbegani@gmail.com wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Besides all the equipment added to the engine radiator water system to kee=
p my Healey from over heating, the addition of a gear reduction starter solv=
ed all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It starts the car even when=
the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest thing since sliced bread, if y=
ou want your wife to travel with you as generally, they do not like helping y=
ou push the car away from the gas pumps and standing around waiting for the c=
ar to start. But, if you have a wife who likes to push your Healey, she is a=
keeper.
> =20
> Bob Begani
> =20
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Salter=
via Healeys
> Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM
> To: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit
> =20
> Some time Richard try dribbling some cool water over the float chambers wh=
en the vapor occurs.=20
> I'll be interested to hear how well that works to get you on your way agai=
n.
> =20
> M
> =20
> On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys, <healeys@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
> My vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in hot weather a=
s expected to some extant, not while driving; but the other day when I stopp=
ed to refuel, the heatsink after turning off the engine caused the gauge to h=
it 200 which vapor locks me every time. So I push back, lift the lid and air=
the engine for 10-15 minutes and then it fires up. That usually attracts an=
audience which helps pass the time. :-)
> A pulley change on my car wouldn=E2=80=99t make a difference IMO.
> =20
> Regards,
> Richard C
> BN7 440
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 22:32, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF Somewhat relevant, I hope: Has anyone tried putting a smaller pu=
lley on the water pump for more flow? Would that just make turbulence/cavita=
tion in the pump and hose?
>=20
> bs
>=20
>=20
> On 6/3/2021 2:11 PM, Bob Begani via Healeys wrote:
> Hi Ira:
> =20
> I am not familiar with the direction of air around the radiator in the BN4=
, however, the BJ8=E2=80=99s has deflectors built in to the frame in front o=
f the radiator, but, not for the wind that drops down under the radiator. S=
o the introduction of the shovel from the frame to the radiator produces a h=
urricane velocity up and through the radiator on the BJ8. That alone should b=
e sufficient to cool water. But it does not move the water very fast throug=
h the engine back to the radiator, especially under low rpms. So I have int=
roduced an electric water pump (Aussie idea, as it does get hot down under) t=
o keep the flow of water through the radiator to the engine through the wate=
r pump and back to the radiator. it adds 150 liter per minute to the trickl=
e produced by the mechanical pump. I fact one of the listeners commented th=
at he could turn off the fan and just keep the water pump operating on highw=
ay speeds. It was easy to install using existing hoses cut in half going fro=
m the bottom of the radiator up to the inlet on the engine, and 2 x 1/8th di=
ameter holes in the thermostat to allow the water to flow during engine warm=
up.
> =20
> After a run, I keep both the fan/EWP operating for a few min after the eng=
ine shut down which helps to reduce flashing of the hot water. And, I have a=
large radiator overflow container to absorb boil over.
> =20
> Why do you think most cars and trucks have electric fans, overflow contain=
ers, and some have an electric water pump. 21st century technology verses o=
ur 20th century. They even have AC power steering etc. systems as standard e=
quipment.
> =20
> Best regards,
> =20
> Bob Begani
> =20
> =20
> =20
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of i erbs via Hea=
leys
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 4:08 PM
> To: Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] air ducting kit
> =20
> I have not had my grille in my BN4 for a long time and it has become an id=
entifying feature of my car. I have a grille, I just have had various reason=
s to not instal it. I like the Rally grill look and have been looking at the=
Cape International kits to accomplish the look. Plus anything that directs m=
ore air through the Rad cores is good .
> So has anyone done this or another kit?
> https://cape-international.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/
> https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille-kit-bn4-bj8/
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie,OR
> _______ _______
> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
> (_________________________)
> BT7 engine and disk brakes
> =20
> =20
> 1967 MGB =20
> =20
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
> =20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">What is the connection between vapor lock (=
a fuel delivery problem) and a gear reduction starter (consistent rotation o=
f the crank) ? <div><br><div>Also the key to cooling an engine via a ra=
diator ( heat exchanger) is air flow. It seems correct that moving the water=
too quickly through the exchanger will limit the loss of heat from the cool=
ant but air flow is very important. The stock AH fans do not move many CFMs.=
Thus the reason the cars seem to do well, temp wise, at speed but very poor=
ly idling along in a holiday parade! </div><div>P<br><br><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">O=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-=
serif">Besides all the equipment added to the engine radiator water system t=
o keep my Healey from over heating, the addition of a gear reduction starter=
solved all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It starts the car even=
when the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest thing since sliced bread,=
if you want your wife to travel with you as generally, they do not like hel=
ping you push the car away from the gas pumps and standing around waiting fo=
r the car to start. But, if you have a wife who likes to push your Hea=
ley, she is a keeper.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bob Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
From:</b> Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b=
>Michael Salter via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM<br>=
<b>To:</b> Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> h=
ealeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">Some time Richard try dribbling some cool water over the float ch=
ambers when the vapor occurs. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">I'll be interested to hear how well that works to get you on your way agai=
n.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">M<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri., Jun. 4, 2=
021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@a=
utox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><bl=
ockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0i=
n 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
My vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in hot weather as=
expected to some extant, not while driving; but the other day when I stoppe=
d to refuel, the heatsink after turning off the engine caused the gauge to h=
it 200 which vapor locks me every time. So I push back, lift the lid and air=
the engine for 10-15 minutes and then it fires up. That usually attracts an=
audience which helps pass the time. :-)<br>A pulley change on my car=
wouldn=E2=80=99t make a difference IMO. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards, <o:p></o:p=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Richard C<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">BN7 440<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jun 3, 2021,=
at 22:32, Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=EF=BB=BF Somewhat relevant, I ho=
pe: Has anyone tried putting a smaller pulley on the water pump for more flo=
w? Would that just make turbulence/cavitation in the pump and hose?<br><br>b=
s<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 6/3/2021 2:11 PM, Bob=
Begani via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-t=
op:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Ira:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">=
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-a=
lt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Arial",sans-serif">I am not familiar with the direction of ai=
r around the radiator in the BN4, however, the BJ8=E2=80=99s has deflectors b=
uilt in to the frame in front of the radiator, but, not for the wind that dr=
ops down under the radiator. So the introduction of the shovel from th=
e frame to the radiator produces a hurricane velocity up and through the rad=
iator on the BJ8. That alone should be sufficient to cool water. But i=
t does not move the water very fast through the engine back to the radiator,=
especially under low rpms. So I have introduced an electric water pum=
p (Aussie idea, as it does get hot down under) to keep the flow of water thr=
ough the radiator to the engine through the water pump and back to the radia=
tor. it adds 150 liter per minute to the trickle produced by the mecha=
nical pump. I fact one of the listeners commented that he could turn o=
ff the fan and just keep the water pump operating on highway speeds. It was e=
asy to install using existing hoses cut in half going from the bottom of the=
radiator up to the inlet on the engine, and 2 x 1/8<sup>th</sup> diameter h=
oles in the thermostat to allow the water to flow during engine warm up.</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"=
Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">After a run, I kee=
p both the fan/EWP operating for a few min after the engine shut down which h=
elps to reduce flashing of the hot water. And, I have a large radiator=
overflow container to absorb boil over.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"=
;Arial",sans-serif">Why do you think most cars and trucks have electric=
fans, overflow containers, and some have an electric water pump. 21<s=
up>st</sup> century technology verses our 20<sup>th</sup> century. The=
y even have AC power steering etc. systems as standard equipment.</span><o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial&q=
uot;,sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size=
:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bob Begani</span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",=
sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.=
0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #=
E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-=
margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Healeys <a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"><healeys-bou=
nces@autox.team.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>i erbs via Healeys<br><b>Sen=
t:</b> Thursday, June 3, 2021 4:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ahealey help <a href=3D"=
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net&=
gt;</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] air ducting kit<o:p></o:p></p></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:au=
to"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have not had my grille in my BN=
4 for a long time and it has become an identifying feature of my car. I have=
a grille, I just have had various reasons to not instal it. I like the Rall=
y grill look and have been looking at the Cape International kits to accompl=
ish the look. Plus anything that directs more air through the Rad cores is g=
ood .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So has anyone done this or another ki=
t?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-a=
lt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href=3D"https://cape-international.co=
m/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/" target=3D"_blank">https://cape-in=
ternational.com/parts/radiator-air-ducting-kit-bn4-bj8/</a><o:p></o:p></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto"><a href=3D"https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-grille=
-kit-bn4-bj8/" target=3D"_blank">https://cape-international.com/parts/mesh-g=
rille-kit-bn4-bj8/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Ira Erbs<o:p></o=
:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-marg=
in-bottom-alt:auto">Milwaukie,OR<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> ___=
____ &=
nbsp; _______<br>  =
; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br> (=
_________________________)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> &n=
bsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div=
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