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AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in =
engineering spaces. Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse =
the car. It=E2=80=99s a mess to clean up.
Hank (33 years in Navy =E2=80=93 served on 7 ships)
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From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM
To: vfracing@aol.com; fot@autox.team.net; joealexandervintage@gmail.com; =
kknight@klaenv.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements =
for Kastner Cup
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Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's =
comp lawsuits.
John
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot =
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Another word to the wise:
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Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF. This is a good fire fighting =
agent, but by no means the only one. AFFF contains PFAS, which is a =
man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for =
causing health issues. If you use this and dispose of it improperly it =
could come back to bite you. Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our =
Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes =
and treating the wells in affected homes.
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See Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses =
<https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/>=20
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<https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/> Aqueous Film =
Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses
<https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/> Aqueous film =
forming foam (AFFF) is a fire suppressant used to fight flammable liquid =
fires. Toxic chemicals in ...
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On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst =
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Im with Ken=E2=80=A6=20
Mordy
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On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot =
So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule? Had we =
known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project. Some =
of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification =
could very well be a major problem in these times. So what is the =
alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have already committed to =
race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around =
until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, =
not to mention a potential large expense.
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We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, =
under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they =
would be allowed to run as is. Dropping this mandatory rule on us at =
the last minute does not sit well. No one wants to be unsafe, I =
don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get =
this done is unreasonable.
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Ken
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Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for =
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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Advanced warning:
The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some =
of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in =
systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one =
accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker =
without having to lean into the car. Furthermore, they must be =
re-certified every two years. Note that these are requirements, not =
recommendations, and new this year (2024)
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For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at =
https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
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Regards,
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Phil Gott
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>AFFF is very caustic and is =
used on navy ships to smother fires in engineering spaces.=C2=A0 Not =
really suitable for cars if you want to reuse the car.=C2=A0 =
It=E2=80=99s a mess to clean up.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hank (33 years in Navy =
=E2=80=93 served on 7 ships)<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot =
<fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>R. John Lye via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
vfracing@aol.com; fot@autox.team.net; joealexandervintage@gmail.com; =
kknight@klaenv.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads =
Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner =
Cup<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Not=
to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's =
comp lawsuits.<br><br>John<br><br> <br><br>On Tue, 20 Feb =
2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Ano=
ther word to the wise:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Som=
e of the two-pull systems use AFFF. This is a good fire fighting =
agent, but by no means the only one. AFFF contains PFAS, which is =
a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for =
causing health issues. If you use this and dispose of it =
improperly it could come back to bite you. Fighting a fire with =
AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking =
contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected =
homes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>See=
<a href=3D"https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/"; =
target=3D"_blank">Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures =
and Illnesses</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'max-width:300.0pt;background:white;border:none;border-top:solid =
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style=3D'border:none;padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 9.0pt'><p =
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style=3D'width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt .25in 12.0pt =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;marg=
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#1D2228'><a =
href=3D"https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/"; =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:black;text-decoration:none'>Aqueous Film Forming Foam =
(AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and =
Illnesses</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></h2><p =
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target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:black;text-decoration:none'>Aqueous film forming foam =
(AFFF) is a fire suppressant used to fight flammable liquid fires. Toxic =
chemicals in =
...</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div></td></tr></t=
able></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"yahoo_quoted_8757662741"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gasket.works@gte.net";>gasket.works@gte.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dyiv8158045542><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Im with Ken=E2=80=A6 <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Mordy<br><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a =
href=3D"https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id6461=
00661" target=3D"_blank">Sent from the all new AOL app for =
iOS</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv8158045542yqt35937><p =
class=3Dyiv8158045542yahoo-quoted-begin style=3D'margin-top:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#715FF=
A'>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div =
id=3Dyiv8158045542><div><div><p class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule? =
Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter =
project. Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to =
get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these =
times. So what is the alternative, buy a new system? Some of =
us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then =
it is a short turn around until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a =
major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large =
expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, =
under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they =
would be allowed to run as is. Dropping this mandatory rule on us =
at the last minute does not sit well. No one wants to be unsafe, I =
don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get =
this done is unreasonable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986"; =
target=3D"_blank">Mail</a> for Windows<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv8158045542yqt15940><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">vfracing--- =
via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 =
PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">FOT Triumph</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Heads Up! =
Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
id=3Dyiv8158045542ydpcd388636yiv1885551611><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>A=
dvanced warning:</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>T=
he SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of =
the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in =
systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one =
accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker =
without having to lean into the car. Furthermore, they must be =
re-certified every two years. Note that these are requirements, =
not recommendations, and new this year (2024)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv8158045542msonormal><span =
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