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Note in the rule that "automatic" actuation can be used in place of the
2nd pull. I just ordered a replacement of my FE-36 system that I
previously installed to comply with SVRA regs with a new FE-36 system
with one pull but also automatic actuation. My pull is near the outside
of the car (as Phil describes), might possibly comply with the
"accessible to track worker" clause but I'm not banking on that. So
mine will have one manual actuation and one automatic (155 degree
farenheit) actuation. I think I had 3 years left of recertification on
the old system. $750 I hadn't planned to spend but hard to be spicy
about safety requirements.
Also note the requirement that one of the nozzles be in the engine
compartment - I need to replump mine to meet that requirement.
Regards, Tony Drews
On 2/21/2024 7:16 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote:
> Hi Mark;
>
> Agreed. skimping on these systems is not wise.
>
> I prefer the FE-36 systems. Â This is the replacement for Halon, is not
> subject to freezing (important here in New England with an unheated
> barn), and, according to the manufacturer of the gas, good "...for at
> least 10 years..." Â In addition, as far as is known now, there are now
> downsides to ultimate disposal and use of FE-36. Â With all the fuss
> about PFAS, I would not be surprised if the use of AFFF were to be
> banned track by track in the near future. Â Unlike petroleum-based
> spills, AFFF mixes very well with water and migrates through the
> groundwater very quickly, making it impossible to recover/mitigate.
>
> For those who (like me) are impacted by the requirement that the
> actuator be accessible for both the driver and a course worker/first
> responder, a single-pull actuator can be located outboard of the
> steering wheel on the dashboard, a location  accessible to both the
> driver and the worker/responder. 15-foot actuating pull cables are
> available.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 07:58:29 AM EST, Mark Cook
> <mecook@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> Phil,
>
> Good point. You are correct and thanks for the clarification.
>
> I tend to be more conservative to a fault (my CFO background). So,
> relative to how much is spent on tires, gas, oil, other consumables
> and basic repairs every race season, top notch safety equipment is a
> cheap investment for me. And, most important, the sanctioning body
> that allows me to drive and I have been married to for over 40 years,Â
> appreciates it!
>
> So, if going to the trouble to install a system, I might as well have
> it be a FIA system.
>
> I send the valve with the bottle when serviced every two years.  They
> put a new sticker with dates on the bottle.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Philip Gott <vfracing@aol.com>
> Date: 2/21/24 7:17 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Mark Cook <mecook@mindspring.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>
> Mark;
> To clarify, SCCA only recommends FIA and/or SFI certification. As the
> SFI recertification process is largely a joke (send a photo of your
> bottle and gage along with  check for $35 to the manufacturer and you
> get a new certification sticker by return mail) they only recommend
> it. They do require that the manufacturersâ?? service procedures be
> performed on the valve and actuation system, but these are neither
> part of the recertification process nor verifiable other than the
> ownerâ??s word.
> SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA Â recertification process be
> followed.
> Phil
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 21, 2024, at 2:47â?¯AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with
>> at least two nozzles). With the calendar year 2020 being a grace
>> period, it then became mandatory in 2021. For 2024, they added
>> additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA
>> and SCCA.
>>
>> Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing
>> requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system.Â
>> Cheap insurance.
>>
>> Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing
>> fire bottles is actually pretty quick. I dropped my SPA Extreme
>> Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30. My
>> Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by
>> Jan 18, also by UPS ground.
>>
>> Ever since Mark Petronisâ?? accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning
>> bodies are beefing up fire system requirements. SVRA was a little slow.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc
>>
>> Mark Cook
>>
>> *From:*Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Ken
>> Knight via Fot
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM
>> *To:* Brad Eells
>> *Cc:* FOT Triumph
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>>
>> I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when
>> they will recertify again. So $640 and the new bottle is on order.Â
>> They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it
>> cheaper than direct. All is in stock and they are just up the 101
>> from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time.Â
>> Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit
>> with 2 pulls. Just FYI.
>>
>> It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a
>> race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury). It is
>> dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem. I doubt
>> they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within
>> SVRA knew about this, but we did not.
>>
>> I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make
>> the K Cup and facing a long tow.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows
>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>>
>> Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running
>> at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.
>>
>> That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam
>> system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one
>> on the dash and the bottle handle itself.
>>
>> Brad Eells
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31â?¯PM, Ken Knight via Fot
>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?Â
>> Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter
>> project. Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to
>> get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these
>> times. So what is the alternative, buy a new system? Some of us
>> have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March,
>> then it is a short turn around until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves
>> us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential
>> large expense.
>>
>> We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus
>> Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our
>> home clubs they would be allowed to run as is. Dropping this
>> mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well. No
>> one wants to be unsafe, I donâ??t think the rule is that
>> unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>> for Windows
>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
>> *Subject: *[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
>>
>> Advanced warning:
>>
>> The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and
>> some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Â Notably,
>> plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two
>> activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other
>> accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the
>> car. Â Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.
>> Â Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new
>> this year (2024)
>>
>> For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at
>> https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phil Gott
>>
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<p>Note in the rule that "automatic" actuation can be used in place
of the 2nd pull.=C2=A0 I just ordered a replacement of my FE-36 sys=
tem
that I previously installed to comply with SVRA regs with a new
FE-36 system with one pull but also automatic actuation.=C2=A0 My p=
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is near the outside of the car (as Phil describes), might possibly
comply with the "accessible to track worker" clause but I'm not
banking on that.=C2=A0 So mine will have one manual actuation and o=
ne
automatic (155 degree farenheit) actuation.=C2=A0 I think I had 3 y=
ears
left of recertification on the old system.=C2=A0 $750 I hadn't plan=
ned
to spend but hard to be spicy about safety requirements.</p>
<p>Also note the requirement that one of the nozzles be in the
engine compartment - I need to replump mine to meet that
requirement.<br>
</p>
<p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2/21/2024 7:16 AM, vfracing--- via
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Agreed. skimping on these
systems is not wise. =C2=A0</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I prefer the FE-36 systems=
=2E
=C2=A0This is the replacement for Halon, is not subject to free=
zing
(important here in New England with an unheated barn), and,
according to the manufacturer of the gas, good "...for at
least 10 years..." =C2=A0In addition, as far as is known now, t=
here
are now downsides to ultimate disposal and use of FE-36. =C2=A0=
With
all the fuss about PFAS, I would not be surprised if the use
of AFFF were to be banned track by track in the near future.
=C2=A0Unlike petroleum-based spills, AFFF mixes very well with
water and migrates through the groundwater very quickly,
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impacted by the requirement that the actuator be accessible
for both the driver and a course worker/first responder, a
single-pull actuator can be located outboard of the steering
wheel on the dashboard, a location =C2=A0accessible to both the=
driver and the worker/responder. 15-foot actuating pull cables
are available.</div>
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clarification.</div>
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<div>I tend to be more conservative to a fault (my CFO
background). So, relative to how much is spent on
tires, gas, oil, other consumables and basic repairs
every race season, top notch safety equipment is a
cheap investment for me.=C2=A0 And, most=C2=A0 importan=
t, the
sanctioning body that allows me to drive and I have
been married to for over 40 years,=C2=A0 appreciates it=
!</div>
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</div>
<div>So, if going to the trouble to install a system, I
might as well have it be a FIA system.</div>
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<div>I send the valve with the bottle when serviced
every two years.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They put a new sticker wit=
h dates
on the bottle.</div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
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96E" href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com";><vfracing@aol.com></a> </div>=
<div>Date: 2/21/24 7:17 AM (GMT-05:00) </div>
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<div>Cc: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System
Requirements for Kastner Cup </div>
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class=3D"yiv2583274870yqt7011598391">Mark;
<div>To clarify, SCCA only recommends FIA and/or SFI
certification. As the SFI recertification process is
largely a joke (send a photo of your bottle and gage
along with =C2=A0check for $35 to the manufacturer an=
d
you get a new certification sticker by return mail)
they only recommend it. They do require that the
manufacturers=E2=80=99 service procedures be performe=
d on
the valve and actuation system, but these are
neither part of the recertification process nor
verifiable other than the owner=E2=80=99s word.</div>=
<div>SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA
=C2=A0recertification process be followed.</div>
<div>Phil=C2=A0</div>
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2:47=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Cook via Fot
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:fot@autox.team.net"><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote:<br
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<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">SVRA has=
required a plumbed in onboard fire system
since 2020 (with at least two nozzles).=C2=A0=
With the calendar year 2020 being a grace
period, it then became mandatory in 2021.=C2=A0=
For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI
requirements to become consistent with NASA
and SCCA.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">=C2=A0</=
p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">Having
built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club
racing requirements, would not get in a race
car without a fire system.=C2=A0 Cheap insura=
nce.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">=C2=A0</=
p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">Just for=
reference, the turnaround time for
re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is
actually pretty quick.=C2=A0 I dropped my SPA=
Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and
had it back by Dec 30.=C2=A0 My Lifeline Nove=
c
1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had
it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground. </p>
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p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">Ever
since Mark Petronis=E2=80=99 accident at NJMP=
in
2021, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up
fire system requirements.=C2=A0 SVRA was a li=
ttle
slow.</p>
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an></b><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Fot
[<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" hre=
f=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net=
</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ken Knight via Fot<br
clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 20,
2024 5:01 PM<br clear=3D"none">
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<b>Cc:</b> FOT Triumph<br clear=3D"none=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Heads Up!
Fire System Requirements for Kastner
Cup</span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">I called my=
company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just
beyond when they will recertify again.=C2=A0 =
So
$640 and the new bottle is on order.=C2=A0 Th=
ey
were kind enough to direct me to Summit
Racing where I got it cheaper than direct.=C2=
=A0
All is in stock and they are just up the 101
from me in the bay area so I should have it
in plenty of time.=C2=A0 Systems at Pegasus w=
ere
running $750-1200 if you needing the full
kit with 2 pulls.=C2=A0 Just FYI.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">It is not
that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car
fire during a race last year (fire suit
saved the driver from injury).=C2=A0 It is
dropping this on us at the last minute that
is the problem.=C2=A0 I doubt they just thoug=
ht
up this rule last week, and possible folks
within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.<=
/p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">I hope this=
does not cause problems for anyone else
trying to make the K Cup and facing a long
tow.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Ken</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Sent from <=
a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Mail</a> for
Windows</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<div
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in=
0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><b>From: =
</b><a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape=3D"rect"
ymailto=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com";
target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Brad Eells</a><b=
r
clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024
1:37 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To: </b><a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape=3D"rect"
ymailto=3D"mailto:kknight@klaenv.com";
target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"mailto:kknight@klaenv.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Ken Knight</a><b=
r
clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc: </b><a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape=3D"rect"
ymailto=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com";
target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">vfracing@=
aol.com</a>;
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape=3D"rect"
ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";
target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">FOT Triumph</a><=
br
clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire
System Requirements for Kastner Cup</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Interesting=
,
as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this
year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks
from now.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">That said=
,
when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an
SPA aqueous foam system with 4
distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one
outside, one on the dash and the bottle
handle itself.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p=
>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Brad
Eells</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Sent
from my iPhone</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0</=
p>
<blockquote
style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">On Feb=
20, 2024, at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM, Ken Knigh=
t via
Fot <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote:<=
/p>
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<blockquote
style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=EF=BB=
=BF</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">So
with a very short time get this done,
this is the New rule?=C2=A0 Had we know=
n
this, oh say last fall, it could have
been a winter project.=C2=A0 Some of th=
is
is not hard but sending your system
off to get a recertification could
very well be a major problem in these
times.=C2=A0 So what is the alternative=
,
buy a new system?=C2=A0 Some of us have=
already committed to race with our
home clubs in mid March, then it is a
short turn around until Sonoma.=C2=A0
Pretty well leaves us in a major bind
as far I can tell, not to mention a
potential large expense.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0=
</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">We
were encouraged to sign up for the K
Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the
assumption that if our cars were legal
in our home clubs they would be
allowed to run as is.=C2=A0 Dropping th=
is
mandatory rule on us at the last
minute does not sit well.=C2=A0 No one
wants to be unsafe, I don=E2=80=99t thi=
nk the
rule is that unreasonable, but the
timing to get this done is
unreasonable.</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0=
</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Ken</=
p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0=
</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Sent
from <a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Mail</a> for=
Windows</p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0=
</p>
<div
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in=
0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><b>=
From:
</b><a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer=
"
shape=3D"rect"
ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">vfracing--=
-
via Fot</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20,
2024 12:46 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To: </b><a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer=
"
shape=3D"rect"
ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";
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h</a><br
clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Heads Up!
Fire System Requirements for Kastner
Cup</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0=
</p>
<div>
<div
id=3D"yiv2583274870ydpcd388636yiv1885551611">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Advanc=
ed
warning:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">The SV=
RA
rules on fire systems are
much more strict than SCCA
and some of the other
sanctioning bodies such as
VRG. =C2=A0Notably, plumbed=
in
systems are required, and
they must have two
activation points, one
accessible to the driver
and the other accessible
to a course worker without
having to lean into the
car. =C2=A0Furthermore, the=
y
must be re-certified every
two years. =C2=A0Note that
these are requirements,
not recommendations, and
new this year (2024)</span>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">=C2=A0=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">For mo=
re
detail, please see Section
L of Safety Requirements
at=C2=A0<a
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"
href=3D"https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_=
24.pdf"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/=
01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">=C2=A0=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Regard=
s,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">=C2=A0=
</span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Phil Gott=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv2583274870MsoNormal">=C2=A0=
</p>
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