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It is worse than just an allergic reaction, isocynates are a carcinogen
and are not trapped by a normal respirator. That is why a supplied air
respirator is recommended. I've got one I'm trying to sell if anyone is
interested.
I think I've used everything that has been recommended. I did powder
coat on one project and decided I don't like it because it is so thick,
e.g. any threads that get powder coated will have to be chased. If you
want a satin finish, I'd just use epoxy primer. I also like
polyurethanes (Dupont Imron or PPG Durethane) if you want a glossy
finish. Those products are no longer available, but there are other
polyurethane enamels.
 - Larry Young
On 9/29/2023 8:36 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:
> This is good advice!!!
> I almost killed myself with I think Dupont Chroma 1 or some such in
> 97, still get a reaction when I get a whiff of it.
> Now I use a 3M PAPR, even when mixing & cleaning up.
> And of course y'all know that no mask/filter system will work if one
> has a lot of facial hair...
>
> Glen Efinger
>
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 01:36:56 AM EDT, Joe Boruch via Fot
> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Most of the two part urethane paints are hazardous like Imron. The
> hardener is isocyanate, which can cause severe allergic reactions when
> inhaled. Once allergic to it, a person can react to it with every
> exposure. Isocyanate is the chemical that was responsible for the
> deaths in the Bopal, India chemical disaster many years ago. Be sure
> to use a good tight fitting cartridge respirator when spraying these
> urethanes, but I think most safety instructions say to use a supplied
> air respirator.
>
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56 PM EDT, Jack Wheeler via
> Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Joe. When I bought the Imron for my car in 1980, the guy wouldn't
> sell it to me unless I also bought the respirator he recommended!
> Strong stuff.
>
> Jack
>
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:33:26 AM EDT, Joe Alexander
> <joealexandervintage@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> In the 70s we were painting John Deere Tractors in DuPont Imron. What
> wasnâ??t done by robots was done by painters in HazMat Suits.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell: Â 319.464.4711
>
>
>> On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot
>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I don't know if it is even still available, but years ago I painted
>> the frame on my race car with Dupont Imron. It was the most durable
>> paint available at the time, and my experience reflected that. The
>> stuff is very toxic, so you must use a very good respirator.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 02:28:28 AM EDT, Tony Drews via
>> Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Grey will show cracks better than black. POR is the first thing that
>> came to mind for me, but it's been YEARS since I used it.
>>
>> Cheers, Tony
>>
>> On 9/27/2023 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
>> I'd suggest POR 15. Depending on the color, the number changes. I
>> think 15 is black. Gray is something else, maybe 10. Spray or brush
>> on. I've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle spray cans are
>> perfectly matched to the quart cans, and you can get it just about
>> anywhere. POR products might be a little more durable than
>> Rustoleum. If the frame is bare metal, an epoxy primer is a good
>> start, but with POR I "think" you can skip the primer.
>> Dave H.
>> On 09/27/2023 5:55 PM PDT McKearn McKearn via Fot
>> Hi All.
>> Â It's been a long time since I've painted a frame and I'm just
>> wondering what the latest / greatest thing to use is for a race car
>> frame ? It's already sand blasted if that matters..
>>  Thanks. P.J.
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It is worse than just an allergic reaction, isocynates are a
carcinogen and are not trapped by a normal respirator. That is why
a supplied air respirator is recommended. I've got one I'm trying to
sell if anyone is interested.<br>
<br>
I think I've used everything that has been recommended. I did powder
coat on one project and decided I don't like it because it is so
thick, e.g. any threads that get powder coated will have to be
chased. If you want a satin finish, I'd just use epoxy primer. I
also like polyurethanes (Dupont Imron or PPG Durethane) if you want
a glossy finish. Those products are no longer available, but there
are other polyurethane enamels.<br>
 - Larry Young<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/29/2023 8:36 AM, fubog1 via Fot
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This is good advice!!!<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I almost killed myself with I
think Dupont Chroma 1 or some such in 97, still get a reaction
when I get a whiff of it.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Now I use a 3M PAPR, even
when mixing & cleaning up.</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">And of course y'all know that
no mask/filter system will work if one has a lot of facial
hair...</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Glen Efinger<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div id="ydp930d2641yahoo_quoted_6637559857"
class="ydp930d2641yahoo_quoted">
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sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 01:36:56 AM EDT, Joe
Boruch via Fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div id="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626">
<div>
<div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"
class="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp183ed478yahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir="ltr">Most of the two part urethane paints
are hazardous like Imron. The hardener is
isocyanate, which can cause severe allergic
reactions when inhaled. Once allergic to it, a
person can react to it with every exposure.Â
Isocyanate is the chemical that was responsible for
the deaths in the Bopal, India chemical disaster
many years ago. Be sure to use a good tight fitting
cartridge respirator when spraying these urethanes,
but I think most safety instructions say to use a
supplied air respirator.  </div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
<div
id="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyahoo_quoted_6803426452"
class="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyahoo_quoted">
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Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div id="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626yqt02947"
class="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626yqt5994340829">
<div> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56
PM EDT, Jack Wheeler via Fot
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote: </div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,
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class="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydpb2b44d22yahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Joe. When I bought the
Imron for my car in 1980, the guy
wouldn't sell it to me unless I also
bought the respirator he recommended!Â
Strong stuff.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Jack<br clear="none">
</div>
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<div> On Thursday, September 28, 2023
at 11:33:26 AM EDT, Joe Alexander
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:joealexandervintage@gmail.com";><joealexandervintage@gmail.com></a>
wrote: </div>
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<div>In the 70s we were painting
John Deere Tractors in DuPont
Imron. What wasnâ??t done by
robots was done by painters in
HazMat Suits.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<div dir="ltr">Joe Alexander
<div>4505 Donald Dr</div>
<div>Cedar Falls, IA 50613</div>
<div>The-vintage-racer.com</div>
<div>Gasketinnovations.com</div>
<div>Cell: Â 319.464.4711</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On
Sep 28, 2023, at 10:29 AM,
Jack Wheeler via Fot
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><fot@autox.team.net></a>
wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">I don't
know if it is even
still available, but
years ago I painted
the frame on my race
car with Dupont
Imron. It was the
most durable paint
available at the time,
and my experience
reflected that. The
stuff is very toxic,
so you must use a very
good respirator.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Jack<br
clear="none">
</div>
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<div> On Thursday,
September 28, 2023
at 02:28:28 AM EDT,
Tony Drews via Fot
<a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";><fot@autox.team.net></a>
wrote: </div>
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<p>Grey will
show cracks
better than
black. POR is
the first
thing that
came to mind
for me, but
it's been
YEARS since I
used it.</p>
<p>Cheers, Tony<br
clear="none">
</p>
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<div
class="ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046moz-cite-prefix">On
9/27/2023
10:21 PM, DAVE
HOGYE via Fot
wrote:<br
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,
arial,
sans-serif;color:#333333;">
<span
style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I'd
suggest POR
15. Depending
on the color,
the number
changes. I
think 15 is
black. Gray
is something
else, maybe
10. Spray or
brush on.Â
I've used
Rustoleum as
the touchup
rattle spray
cans are
perfectly
matched to the
quart cans,
and you can
get it just
about
anywhere. POR
products might
be a little
more durable
than
Rustoleum. If
the frame is
bare metal, an
epoxy primer
is a good
start, but
with POR I
"think" you
can skip the
primer.  </span>
</div>
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<span
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H.  </span> </div>
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<span
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09/27/2023
5:55 PM PDT
McKearn
McKearn via
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Hi All. <br
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<div> Â It's
been a long
time since
I've painted a
frame and I'm
just wondering
what the
latest /
greatest thing
to use is for
a race car
frame ? It's
already sand
blasted if
that matters..
</div>
<div> Â
 Thanks. P.J.
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