Re: [Fot] Frame paint

[Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>]

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Excellent caution note, thanks!
I=E2=80=99d always understood that powder coating could hide cracks =
below the surface - on a frame, for example, just as chroming hides =
cracks on suspension parts you may want to crack check.  Maybe =
appropriate for a show car, but for a race car, not so good.  Is this =
incorrect?=20

On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:31 PM, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:

Most of the two part urethane paints are hazardous like Imron.  The =
hardener is isocyanate, which can cause severe allergic reactions when =
inhaled.  Once allergic to it, a person can react to it with every =
exposure.  Isocyanate is the chemical that was responsible for the =
deaths in the Bopal, India chemical disaster many years ago.  Be sure to =
use a good tight fitting cartridge respirator when spraying these =
urethanes, but I think most safety instructions say to use a supplied =
air respirator. =20

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56 PM EDT, Jack Wheeler via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:


Hi Joe.  When I bought the Imron for my car in 1980, the guy wouldn't =
sell it to me unless I also bought the respirator he recommended!  =
Strong stuff.

Jack

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:33:26 AM EDT, Joe Alexander =
<joealexandervintage@gmail.com> wrote:


In the 70s we were painting John Deere Tractors in DuPont Imron. What =
wasn=E2=80=99t done by robots was done by painters in HazMat Suits.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I don't know if it is even still available, but years ago I painted =
the frame on my race car with Dupont Imron.  It was the most durable =
paint available at the time, and my experience reflected that.  The =
stuff is very toxic, so you must use a very good respirator.
>=20
> Jack
>=20
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 02:28:28 AM EDT, Tony Drews via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Grey will show cracks better than black.  POR is the first thing that =
came to mind for me, but it's been YEARS since I used it.
>=20
> Cheers, Tony
>=20
> On 9/27/2023 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
>=20
> I'd suggest POR 15.  Depending on the color, the number changes.  I =
think 15 is black.  Gray is something else, maybe 10.  Spray or brush =
on.  I've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle spray cans are perfectly =
matched to the quart cans, and you can get it just about anywhere.  POR =
products might be a little more durable than Rustoleum.  If the frame is =
bare metal, an epoxy primer is a good start, but with POR I "think" you =
can skip the primer. =20
> Dave H. =20
> =20
> On 09/27/2023 5:55 PM PDT McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
> =20
> =20
> Hi All.=20
>   It's been a long time since I've painted a frame and I'm just =
wondering what the latest / greatest thing to use is for a race car =
frame ? It's already sand blasted if that matters..
>    Thanks.  P.J.
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class=3D"">Excellent caution note, thanks!<div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99d =
always understood that powder coating could hide cracks below the =
surface - on a frame, for example, just as chroming hides cracks on =
suspension parts you may want to crack check. &nbsp;Maybe appropriate =
for a show car, but for a race car, not so good. &nbsp;Is this =
incorrect?&nbsp;<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Sep 28, 2023, at 10:31 PM, Joe Boruch via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"ydp183ed478yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=3D""></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Most of the =
two part urethane paints are hazardous like Imron.&nbsp; The hardener is =
isocyanate, which can cause severe allergic reactions when =
inhaled.&nbsp; Once allergic to it, a person can react to it with every =
exposure.&nbsp; Isocyanate is the chemical that was responsible for the =
deaths in the Bopal, India chemical disaster many years ago.&nbsp; Be =
sure to use a good tight fitting cartridge respirator when spraying =
these urethanes, but I think most safety instructions say to use a =
supplied air respirator.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>
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                    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56 PM EDT, =
Jack Wheeler via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><div id=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, =
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class=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydpb2b44d22yahoo-style-wrap"><div =
class=3D""></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Hi Joe.&nbsp; When I bought the =
Imron for my car in 1980, the guy wouldn't sell it to me unless I also =
bought the respirator he recommended!&nbsp; Strong stuff.</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Jack<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
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                    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:33:26 AM EDT, =
Joe Alexander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:joealexandervintage@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">joealexandervintage@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">In the 70s we were painting John Deere Tractors in DuPont =
Imron. What wasn=E2=80=99t done by robots was done by painters in HazMat =
Suits.<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Joe Alexander<div class=3D"">4505 Donald =
Dr</div><div class=3D"">Cedar Falls, IA 50613</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://The-vintage-racer.com"; =
class=3D"">The-vintage-racer.com</a></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://Gasketinnovations.com"; =
class=3D"">Gasketinnovations.com</a></div><div class=3D"">Cell: =
&nbsp;319.464.4711</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
id=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890yqtfd60849" =
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r clear=3D"none" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Sep =
28, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
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=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
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style-wrap"><div class=3D""></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I don't know if it is even still =
available, but years ago I painted the frame on my race car with Dupont =
Imron.&nbsp; It was the most durable paint available at the time, and my =
experience reflected that.&nbsp; The stuff is very toxic, so you must =
use a very good respirator.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Jack<br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div>
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Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;" class=3D"">
               =20
                <div class=3D"">
                    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 02:28:28 AM EDT, =
Tony Drews via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv202660=
4046" class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"">Grey will show cracks =
better than black.&nbsp; POR is the first thing
      that came to mind for me, but it's been YEARS since I used =
it.</p><p class=3D"">Cheers, Tony<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
    </p>
    <div =
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class=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv202=
6604046moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/2023 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
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id=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv202660=
4046yqtfd17211" =
class=3D"ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv202=
6604046yqt9936172975"><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, =
arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D""> <span =
style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;" class=3D"">I'd suggest
          POR 15.&nbsp; Depending on the color, the number =
changes.&nbsp; I think
          15 is black.&nbsp; Gray is something else, maybe 10.&nbsp; =
Spray or
          brush on.&nbsp; I've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle =
spray
          cans are perfectly matched to the quart cans, and you can get
          it just about anywhere.&nbsp; POR products might be a little =
more
          durable than Rustoleum.&nbsp; If the frame is bare metal, an =
epoxy
          primer is a good start, but with POR I "think" you can skip
          the primer.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span> </div>
      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, =
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H.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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6604046default-style"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt;" class=3D"">On =
09/27/2023 5:55 PM PDT McKearn
          McKearn via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" =
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        <div class=3D""> &nbsp; </div>
        <div class=3D""> &nbsp; </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""> Hi All. <br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D"">
          <div class=3D""> &nbsp; It's been a long time since I've =
painted a frame and
            I'm just wondering what the latest / greatest thing to use
            is for a race car frame ? It's already&nbsp;sand blasted if =
that
            matters.. </div>
          <div class=3D""> &nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks.&nbsp; P.J. </div>
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