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Hey friends.
Just wanted to give an update on the clutch thing.
I took some wise advice and sucked all the black crap out of the master
cyl. then wiped it clean and ran about a cup of fresh fluid through. I
opened up the slave cyl. and drained out as much as I could. then refilled
and bled everything.
Seams perfect now but then it felt perfect before too.
There was no sign of leakage anywhere so the external seals must be fine.
I'm a bit suspicious of the slave cylinder I replaced last fall as it was a
BP Northwest product. Some sort of Asian knockoff. I guess we will see
what comes to pass.
Thanks for the replies.
P.J.
Looking forward to seeing you all at the K cup
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 6:12=E2=80=AFPM Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net>
wrote:
> I don=E2=80=99t know why the fluid in the clutch master cylinders gets na=
sty so
> quickly, but it does. I start my CMC bleeding process by sucking out all
> the old fluid from the reservoir, wiping it out and filling with fresh
> fluid. I make sure to use all the first fill in the bleeding process so I
> know all the older fluid has passed out of the slave cylinder.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 27, 2023, at 1:46 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BF
> >
> > Yes, assuming the seals are sound, as suggested, simple bleeding could
> be the fix. Water/Air in the system, expanding with heat, could be taki=
ng
> up some of the pressure required to release the clutch. (Think brake fad=
e.)
> >
> > And how old are the seals in the cylinders? Maybe the general thermal
> expansion in the cylinders and/or heated fluid and rubber, is just enough
> to cause some failure of aging seals?
> >
> > While it=E2=80=99s messy, and it=E2=80=99s been a while for my 4A, afte=
r an initial
> bleed at the slave to just get the system filled with fresh fluid, I used
> to bleed the master before a final bleed of the slave, by loosening the
> line ahead of the slave (with the slave nipple closed) as if it were a
> bleeding nipple. (loosen, push, hold, tighten, repeat=E2=80=A6 clean up =
fluid as
> it=E2=80=99s a blind bleed into a rag) Then do a final bleed at the slav=
e nipple.
> That always seemed to make it all go faster, relatively effortless. (I
> always thought to make some sort of custom bleed screw between the master
> and slave, but never did.)
> >
> > Between owning British cars, doing my own plumbing for decades, and
> working water gag special fx in the film buiz, I feel like I should get a=
n
> honorary PhD in general hydraulics, though, I am quite aware, I still onl=
y
> know .002% about them. Ok, even less.
> >
> > =E2=80=94Justin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 27, 2023, at 9:36 AM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> =EF=BB=BFHave you tried bleeding it?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On May 27, 2023, at 11:16 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> =EF=BB=BF
> >>> Hi all.
> >>> Got the GT6 out a few days ago and remembered that I was going to fix
> the clutch problem I had last fall before I stored it away but did'nt .=
.
> >>> So long story short, I don't know if it's the slave cyl or master
> cylinder but it works fine at first few shifts but as you drive it you ge=
t
> less and less clutch movement.
> >>> Seems like if you let it set a while it will work again..
> >>> Any ideas?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey friends.<div>Just wanted to give an update on the clut=
ch thing.</div><div>=C2=A0 I took some wise advice and sucked all the black=
crap out of the master cyl. then wiped it clean and ran about a cup of fre=
sh fluid through.=C2=A0 I opened up the slave cyl. and drained out as much =
as I could. then refilled and bled everything.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Seams=
perfect=C2=A0 now but then it felt perfect before too.=C2=A0</div><div>The=
re was no sign of leakage anywhere so the external seals must be fine.=C2=
=A0 I'm a bit suspicious of the slave cylinder I replaced last fall as =
it was a BP Northwest product. Some sort of Asian knockoff.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I g=
uess we will see what comes to pass.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks for the replies.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0P.J.</div><div>Looking forward to see=
ing you all at the K cup<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 6:=
12=E2=80=AFPM Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex">I don=E2=80=99t know why the fluid in the clutch ma=
ster cylinders gets nasty so quickly, but it does. I start my CMC bleeding =
process by sucking out all the old fluid from the reservoir, wiping it out =
and filling with fresh fluid. I make sure to use all the first fill in the =
bleeding process so I know all the older fluid has passed out of the slave =
cylinder. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
> On May 27, 2023, at 1:46 PM, J Wagner via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fo=
t@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> =EF=BB=BF<br>
> <br>
> Yes, assuming the seals are sound, as suggested, simple bleeding could=
be the fix.=C2=A0 Water/Air in the system, expanding with heat,=C2=A0 coul=
d be taking up some of the pressure required to release the clutch.=C2=A0 (=
Think brake fade.)<br>
> <br>
> And how old are the seals in the cylinders?=C2=A0 Maybe the general th=
ermal expansion in the cylinders and/or heated fluid and rubber, is just en=
ough to cause some failure of aging seals?<br>
> <br>
> While it=E2=80=99s messy, and it=E2=80=99s been a while for my 4A, aft=
er an initial bleed at the slave to just get the system filled with fresh f=
luid, I used to bleed the master before a final bleed of the slave, by loos=
ening the line ahead of the slave (with the slave nipple closed) as if it w=
ere a bleeding nipple.=C2=A0 (loosen, push, hold, tighten, repeat=E2=80=A6 =
clean up fluid as it=E2=80=99s a blind bleed into a rag)=C2=A0 Then do a fi=
nal bleed at the slave nipple.=C2=A0 That always seemed to make it all go f=
aster, relatively effortless.=C2=A0 =C2=A0(I always thought to make some so=
rt of custom bleed screw between the master and slave, but never did.)=C2=
=A0 <br>
> <br>
> Between owning British cars, doing my own plumbing for decades, and wo=
rking water gag special fx in the film buiz, I feel like I should get an ho=
norary PhD in general hydraulics, though, I am quite aware, I still only kn=
ow .002% about them.=C2=A0 Ok, even less.=C2=A0 <br>
> <br>
> =E2=80=94Justin <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On May 27, 2023, at 9:36 AM, Philip Gott via Fot <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote=
:<br>
>> <br>
>> =EF=BB=BFHave you tried bleeding it?<br>
>> <br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>> <br>
>>>> On May 27, 2023, at 11:16 AM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <=
<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net<=
/a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> =EF=BB=BF<br>
>>> Hi all.<br>
>>> Got the GT6 out a few days ago and remembered that I was going=
to fix the clutch problem I had last fall before I stored it away=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0but did'nt ..<br>
>>> So long story short, I don't know if it's the slave cy=
l or master cylinder but it works fine at first few shifts but as you drive=
it you get less and less clutch movement.<br>
>>> Seems like if you let it set a while it will work=C2=A0 again.=
.<br>
>>> Any ideas?<br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@au=
tox.team.net</a><br>
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