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We get the full set of Wisecos plus liners for that number, but 100 grams
is nearly a 1/4 pound!
Bob Kramer
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
>
>
> the forged Mahle pistons are 100gr lighter than the Wisecos.
>
> On the photos the bigger shaped piston is the Mahle one.
>
> But it is very fragil. The skirt is very thin and to compensate for pisto=
n
> slap the skirt is longer than on the Wisecos.
>
> Price for one Piston was 250=E2=82=AC.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com>
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 23:10
> *An:* tr4racing@googlemail.com
> *Cc:* Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] abradable coatings
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> I weighed the Wisecos and compared them to some Malhe cast pistons I had.
> I'm doing this off memot but I think I weighed them with wrist pins but
> without rings. The Wisecos were about a US pound and the cast Mahles 1.3
> pounds. The wrist pins on the cast ones are heavier than the ones that ca=
me
> with the Wiseco's. How much lighter are the custom Malhe's?
>
>
>
> Bob Kramer
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> See the photos of the Wiseco pistons with coating to overcome the
> shrinking.
>
>
>
> And the difference between Wiseco and Mahle.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* tr4racing@gmail.com <tr4racing@gmail.com>
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 21:54
> *An:* 'Bob Kramer' <rkramer56@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 'fot@autox.team.net' <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* AW: [Fot] abradable coatings
>
>
>
> I did this once with also a set of Wiseco pistons.
>
> I had cross scuffing on all 4 pistons, because the pistons expanded to
> much to the wrong direction.
>
> I did use the coated pistons and replaced them with Mahle custom made
> pistons, which are lighter and never scuffed .
>
> I use the Mahle set since 10 years now.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *Bob Kramer via
> Fot
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 17:27
> *An:* Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* [Fot] abradable coatings
>
>
>
> Has anyone used this company on a wet liner engine like a TR4? I have a
> set of scuffed Wieseco pistons that could be rescued with a skirt coating
> and the company says it will work.
>
>
>
> The coatings can be applied very thick and sometimes provide an
> interference fit when a device is assembled. During initial operation, th=
e
> coating breaks in to form a perfect fit between mating parts. Controlled
> abrasion even accounts for thermal and torque related distortions in
> components as the coating wears in. Once the optimum fit is achieved,
> stresses on the coating are reduced and the break-in process stops.
> Durable, low friction, anti-scuff properties of the coating maintain
> tighter operating clearances and higher efficiency for the life of the
> device.
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.line2linecoatings.com/
>
>
> Armor Clearance Control=E2=84=A2 (Armor CC=E2=84=A2)
> For building diametric thickness 0.002" to 0.020" - our hardest skirt
> coating.
>
>
>
> [image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.] [image: Das Bild wurde vom
> Absender entfernt.]
>
>
>
> Extreme wear resistance provides lasting enlargement of piston skirt
> dimensions. Recommended for restoring clearances where they have opened u=
p
> from skirt collapse, wear, clean-up honing or other.
>
> Race proven durability in NHRA PRO-MOD. Coating can be topped with Slick
> CC=E2=84=A2 for the ultimate fit and lubricity.
>
> *Recommended for 2 strokes and 4 strokes.*
> ADVANTAGES:
>
> - *Restores and Holds Clearances*
>
>
> Bob Kramer
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>We get the full set of Wisecos plus liners for that n=
umber, but 100 grams is nearly a 1/4 pound!</div><br clear=3D"all"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 4:1=
6 PM <<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>tr4racing@googlemail.c=
om</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"gm=
ail-m_-4013562112686429630WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"DE">Hi Bob,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"DE"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">the forged Ma=
hle pistons are 100gr lighter than the Wisecos.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On the photos the bigger shaped piston is the Mahle one.<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But it is very fragil. The skirt is ve=
ry thin and to compensate for piston slap the skirt is longer than on the W=
isecos.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Price for one Piston was 25=
0=E2=82=AC.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chri=
s<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:n=
one;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE">Von:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE"> Bob Krame=
r <<a href=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">rkramer56@gm=
ail.com</a>> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 23:10<br><b>=
An:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4ra=
cing@googlemail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re=
: [Fot] abradable coatings<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<u></u><u></u=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">I weighed the Wisecos and compared them to some Malhe cast =
pistons I had. I'm doing this off memot but I think I weighed them with=
wrist=C2=A0pins but without rings.=C2=A0 The Wisecos were about a US pound=
and the cast Mahles 1.3 pounds. The wrist pins on the cast ones are heavie=
r than the ones that came with the Wiseco's.=C2=A0 How much lighter are=
the custom Malhe's?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-=
bottom:12pt">Bob Kramer<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 6, 20=
21 at 3:06 PM <<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockq=
uote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-l=
eft:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;ma=
rgin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">See the photos of the Wise=
co pistons with coating to overcome the shrinking.<u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And the diff=
erence between Wiseco and Mahle.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u=
></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:no=
ne;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE">Von:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE"> <a href=3D=
"mailto:tr4racing@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@gmail.com</a> <=
<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@gmail.co=
m</a>> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 21:54<br><b>An:</b=
> 'Bob Kramer' <<a href=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">rkramer56@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> '<a href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>' <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
;<br><b>Betreff:</b> AW: [Fot] abradable coatings</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
/div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">I did this once with also a set of Wiseco pistons.<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had cross scuffing on all 4 pistons, because the pi=
stons expanded to much to the wrong direction.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">I did use the coated pistons and replaced them with Mahle custo=
m made pistons, which are lighter and never scuffed .<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">I use the Mahle set since 10 years now.<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chee=
rs<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:n=
one;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE">Von:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE"> Fot <<=
a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@=
autox.team.net</a>> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bob Kramer via Fot<br><b>Gesen=
det:</b> Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2021 17:27<br><b>An:</b> Fot <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><=
b>Betreff:</b> [Fot] abradable coatings</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Has anyone used this company on a wet liner engine like a TR4? I have a set=
of scuffed Wieseco=C2=A0pistons that could be rescued with a skirt coating=
and the company says it will work.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(85,85,85);background:rgb(250,250,250)">The coatings can be applied very th=
ick and sometimes provide an interference fit when a device is assembled. D=
uring initial operation, the coating breaks in to form a perfect fit betwee=
n mating parts. Controlled abrasion even accounts for thermal and torque re=
lated distortions in components as the coating wears in. Once the optimum f=
it is achieved, stresses on the coating are reduced and the break-in proces=
s stops. Durable, low friction, anti-scuff properties of the coating mainta=
in tighter operating clearances and higher efficiency for the life of the d=
evice.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.line2linecoatings.com=
/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.line2linecoatings.com/</a><u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><h2 =
style=3D"margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:30pt"><span style=3D"font-size:16.=
5pt;font-family:"Droid Sans",serif;color:rgb(64,64,64)">Armor Cle=
arance Control=E2=84=A2 (Armor CC=E2=84=A2)</span><u></u><u></u></h2><div s=
tyle=3D"border:1pt solid white;padding:14pt;margin-top:15pt;margin-bottom:1=
5pt;min-height:20px;border-radius:0px;outline:rgb(204,204,204) solid 1px"><=
h3 align=3D"center" style=3D"margin-bottom:7.5pt;text-align:center;line-hei=
ght:30pt;background:rgb(255,255,242)"><span style=3D"font-family:"Droi=
d Sans",serif;color:rgb(64,64,64)">For building diametric thickness 0.=
002" to 0.020" - our hardest skirt coating.</span><u></u><u></u><=
/h3><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:rgb(255,255,242)"><span styl=
e=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" ali=
gn=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center;background:rgb(255,255,242)"><span=
style=3D"color:black;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm"><img border=
=3D"0" width=3D"100" height=3D"100" style=3D"width: 1.0416in; height: 1.041=
6in;" id=3D"gmail-m_-4013562112686429630gmail-m_8494912656192415720Bild_x00=
20_1" src=3D"cid:17c5795e90b4ce8e91" alt=3D"Das Bild wurde vom Absender ent=
fernt."></span><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<span style=3D"border:1pt =
solid windowtext;padding:0cm"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"100" height=3D"100=
" style=3D"width: 1.0416in; height: 1.0416in;" id=3D"gmail-m_-4013562112686=
429630gmail-m_8494912656192415720Bild_x0020_2" src=3D"cid:17c5795e90b4ce8e9=
1" alt=3D"Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt."></span></span><u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:rgb(255,255,242)"><span st=
yle=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-botto=
m:7.5pt;line-height:18pt;background:rgb(255,255,242)"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,85)">Extreme wear =
resistance provides lasting enlargement of piston skirt dimensions. Recomme=
nded for restoring clearances where they have opened up from skirt collapse=
, wear, clean-up honing or other.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:18pt;background:rgb(255,255,242)"><span style=3D=
"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,85)">Race p=
roven durability in NHRA PRO-MOD. Coating can be topped with Slick CC=E2=84=
=A2 for the ultimate fit and lubricity.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D=
"margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:18pt;background:rgb(255,255,242)"><em><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(85,85,8=
5)">Recommended for 2 strokes and 4 strokes.</span></em><u></u><u></u></p><=
h2 style=3D"margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:30pt;background:rgb(255,255,242=
)"><span style=3D"font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Droid Sans",serif=
;color:rgb(64,64,64)">ADVANTAGES:</span><u></u><u></u></h2><ul style=3D"mar=
gin-top:0cm" type=3D"disc"><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:rgb(85,85=
,85);margin-top:4.5pt;margin-bottom:4.5pt;line-height:15pt;background:rgb(2=
55,255,242)"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,san=
s-serif">Restores and Holds Clearances</span></strong><u></u><u></u></li></=
ul></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></p><=
div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bob Kramer<u></u><u></u></p></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div=
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