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Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:06:46 -0800 (PST)
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I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface.  Alth=
ough a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the sur=
face condition. =20
I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put =
together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for=
 a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles.  I sprayed bo=
th sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place.  I haven't pu=
lled the liners.  I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check =
and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back toget=
her.
I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is neces=
sary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.  The sealant is just added =
insurance.
Dave H.


>     On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.=
net> wrote:
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>     It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaske=
ts, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any h=
arm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, fo=
rming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak,=
 but the cylinderhead gasket will.
>     Marcel
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>     Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01
>     Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
>     =20
>     =20
>     Don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=99s my trick or if everyone does it bu=
t...=20
>     Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I u=
se a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve =
lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it =
up good and then use your sealant of choice.
>     Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer
>     Albuquerque NM
>=20
>     On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot@autox.team.net=
 mailto:fot@autox.team.net > wrote:
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>         > >         hylomar.
> >         =20
> >         never sets up solid like silicone.
> >         that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch=
, come back, mess around.=20
> >         leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow.
> >         =20
> >         the best gasket dressing ever invented.
> >         =20
> >         Frank
> >         On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < adcr=
onin@mi.rr.com mailto:adcronin@mi.rr.com > wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> >         Folks
> >         Looking for some background information and recommendations on =
the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for eac=
h of you in your various engine re-builds.  And  any comments / observation=
s you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a =
89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a =
Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and =
at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conv=
ersion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover=
.  Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guid=
es. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals.  BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A=
 head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imper=
fections.  The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp ed=
ges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each.  I =
am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005=
 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on the head side of the gasket that =
will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side.  Gasket Works sent a se=
t of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusio=
n of 0.0025 to 0.003.  Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1=
+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying =
to get this critical step as close to right as I can.
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I like the meth=
od of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface.&nbsp; Although a lig=
ht amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface condi=
tion.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I used the red,=
 High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my fir=
st and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh afte=
r 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles.&nbsp; I sprayed both sides o=
f the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place.&nbsp; I haven't pulled =
the liners.&nbsp; I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check =
and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back toget=
her.</span>
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olor: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I think Marcel =
has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all con=
ditions are otherwise excellent.&nbsp; The sealant is just added insurance.=
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    On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team=
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     It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gasket=
s, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any ha=
rm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, for=
ming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, =
but the cylinderhead gasket will.
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     Marcel
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     <strong>Onderwerp: </strong>Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gasket=
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      Don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=99s my trick or if everyone does it bu=
t...&nbsp;
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      Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I u=
se a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve =
lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it =
up good and then use your sealant of choice.
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      Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer
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      Albuquerque NM
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      <br>On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot &lt;
      <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopen=
er">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">=20
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         hylomar.
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         &nbsp;
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         never sets up solid like silicone.
        </div>=20
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         that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, c=
ome back, mess around.&nbsp;
        </div>=20
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         leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow.
        </div>=20
        <div dir=3D"ltr">
         &nbsp;
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         the best gasket dressing ever invented.
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         &nbsp;
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         Frank
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          On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin &lt;
          <a href=3D"mailto:adcronin@mi.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
opener">adcronin@mi.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:
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             Looking for some background information and recommendations on=
 the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for ea=
ch of you in your various engine re-builds. &nbsp;And &nbsp;any comments / =
observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am buil=
ding has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / b=
olts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super =
Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, a=
n HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy=
 back cover. &nbsp;Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru M=
ang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. &nbsp;BPNW 270 d=
uration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up a=
nd remove prior imperfections. &nbsp;The head chambers have been mildly wor=
ked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber =
volume of 60.5cc each. &nbsp;I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022=
 copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on th=
e head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on eac=
h side. &nbsp;Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has al=
lowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. &nbsp;Am aiming a=
t a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many r=
esponses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close=
 to right as I can.
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