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I=E2=80=99ve often wondered why we don=E2=80=99t see hard tops on modern-day=
TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynamic? No room for the roll cage?
> On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> I had one on my =E2=80=9866 TR4A - really liked it and didn=E2=80=99t find=
it hard to install at all (same time to erect as my MK2 Spitfire soft top!)=
.=20
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> The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center aluminum=
panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was for wintertime. =
The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes for inclement weather=
. =20
>=20
> They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinking ab=
out getting one for my TR250 road car.
>=20
> The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable center) and wa=
s sold into TR6 production.
>=20
> Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the way with the idea! T=
riumph was often the first in many of the features on their cars, like: disc=
brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Original Triumph TRs by Piggott=
. Great resources!
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> Best, Terry=20
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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250 had the Surrey Top option. I have an origi=
nal one on my TR4A but not the hard center section. I don't know how many t=
hey ultimately made but you better be able to anticipate rain by about a hal=
f hour to erect the soft center piece with its "erector set" framework, thum=
b screws that you have to be a contortionist to screw up into the rear secti=
on from inside and then the little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying o=
ff!!! The hooks on the windshield post and rear post were really good at go=
uging you when you were in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good b=
ut very crazy in execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it wa=
s a giant cast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place o=
f the convertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Por=
sche refined it and called it a Targa.!!!
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> hought the TR4A too. It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I=
never saw one back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be use=
d when the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry
>>=20
>> On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
>>=20
>> This car appears to be a Targa Top car. I had never noticed it before, b=
ut this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a true "hard=
top" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop. I've never seen one. If no=
t, then the Targa Top would be a good alternative to improve aerodynamics (V=
erses the open car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I hav=
e seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car came with one=
, but never a true hardtop from the factory. Just an observation. Any comm=
ents?
>>=20
>> Jack
>>=20
>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 4:48:07 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
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>> I saw these for sale on craigslist just now and I thought to share them w=
ith the FOT. It is my understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Tri=
umph Works TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the Tr=
iumph Herald. =20
>>=20
>> Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 pics from the web just for refe=
rence)
>>=20
>> I have no connection with the seller.
>>=20
>> =E2=80=94Justin
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> 1962 Triumph Herald Grills - auto parts - by owner - vehicle...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve often wondered why we don=E2=80=
=99t see hard tops on modern-day TR4 racers. Wouldnt they be more aerodynami=
c? No room for the roll cage?<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te">On Aug 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charse=
t=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr">I had one on my =E2=80=9866 TR4A - really liked i=
t and didn=E2=80=99t find it hard to install at all (same time to erect as m=
y MK2 Spitfire soft top!). </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">The design stopped the wind buffeting in the cockpit. The center=
aluminum panel would not fit in the boot or in the cockpit. It was fo=
r wintertime. The soft top was for top down weather - quick changes fo=
r inclement weather. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>They are pricy now and desirable for TR4, TR4A, TR250/5. Been thinkin=
g about getting one for my TR250 road car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">The plastic version Looked like the surrey (w/out removable c=
enter) and was sold into TR6 production.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Yes, Porsche copied it & renamed it! Triumph led the=
way with the idea! Triumph was often the first in many of the feature=
s on their cars, like: disc brakes, roll up windows and more - Read the Orig=
inal Triumph TRs by Piggott. Great resources!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Best, Terry </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">On Aug 28, 2020, at 15:58, Rich Hahn via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp97fef25yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"f=
ont-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The TR4, 4A and maybe the 250=
had the Surrey Top option. I have an original one on my TR4A but not t=
he hard center section. I don't know how many they ultimately made but=
you better be able to anticipate rain by about a half hour to erect the sof=
t center piece with its "erector set" framework, thumb screws that you have t=
o be a contortionist to screw up into the rear section from inside and then t=
he little hooks and snaps that keep it from flying off!!! The hooks on=
the windshield post and rear post were really good at gouging you when you w=
ere in a hurry. It was good in theory and looked good but very crazy i=
n execution!!! Not much structural integrity either as it was a giant c=
ast piece of aluminum or pot metal. It just bolted on in place of the c=
onvertible frame. Triumph got it wrong in name and execution but Porsc=
he refined it and called it a Targa.!!!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"colo=
r: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><br></span></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 4=
2);">hought the TR4A too.
It cost an extra $100 over the convertible version. I never saw one
back in the day. An accessory soft "surrey" top could .be used when
the hardtop panel was removed. - Larry</span></div></div><div id=3D"ydp7=
37b6ef9yahoo_quoted_8669686392" class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yahoo_quoted"><div style=
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v1515360837yqtfd00117"><div class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837moz-cite-prefix=
">On 8/27/2020 4:23 PM, Jack Wheeler via
Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>This car appears to be
a Targa Top car. </span>I had never noticed it before, but=
this makes sense for racing. I don't know if they ever made a=
true "hardtop" for the TR-4, like the Steel TR-3 hardtop.
I've never seen one. If not, then the Targa Top would be a
good alternative to improve aerodynamics (Verses the open
car), assuming you kept the solid roof panel in place. I hav=
e
seen a few aftermarket plastic hardtops, in fact my race car
came with one, but never a true hardtop from the factory.
Just an observation. Any comments?</div>
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via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp737b6ef9yiv1515360837moz-t=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I saw these for sale on craigslist just now
and I thought to share them with the FOT. It is my
understanding the grills used on the 60=E2=80=99s Triumph Work=
s
TR4s=E2=80=99 engine bay vents were repurposed grills from the=
Triumph Herald. <br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Here=E2=80=99s a pair for sale. (Old TR4 p=
ics from
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