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The flywheel has to have locating dowels to maintain concentricity with th=
e clutch housing.The dowels don't normally get any shear load on them, they=
aren't drive-dogs, the bolt clamping force holds it all in place and clamp=
ed down tight.Yes hard shims, soft can crush down and lose bolt torque afte=
r awhile.
If the PP loosens up, the locating dowels won't do much to keep it from com=
ing apart...
Glen
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Van Mulders Marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question
Most good flywheels have locating dowels for the PP as added shear strength=
.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:50 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.t=
eam.net> wrote:
Strongest solution is when the area where the feet are located are a bit lo=
wer than the friction area of the flywheel : then the PP is strongly locate=
d and eventually the shims should be trimmed . When the flywheel is entiril=
y flush, the location of the PP is less secure.If hard steel shims are used=
, I think this will not be a weak spot?Marcel.Van: "Scott Barr" <sbarr@McCa=
rty-Law.com>
Aan: "Phil Gott" <vfracing@aol.com>, "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marc=
el@telenet.be>, "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 14:56:15
Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] laycock clutch question
I=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure p=
late.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hard=
ened washers.=C2=A0 Seemed to work fine, but that was a seat of the pants g=
otta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix.=C2=A0 Anyone think=
that solution is a disaster in the making?=C2=A0Scott (B.)=C2=A0From: Fot =
<fot-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM
To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question=C2=A0Marcel, Brian;I agree with =
Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc =
is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.=
Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP.Hope this clears =
up any confusion.PhilSent from my iPhone
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be wrote:
=C2=A0So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening=
, it still can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not=
correct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are mov=
ing inward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not co=
rrect and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.Marcel.Van:"f=
ot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question=C2=A0Brian;All perfectly norma=
l.Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfi=
ngers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face shoul=
d be rounded. If the fingers have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout =
bearing face should be flat.Enjoy your new clutch!Phil GottSent from my iPh=
one
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
Hey Friends=C2=A0just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new =
clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat ac=
ross, no longer peaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out wil=
l press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench=
). Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0=C2=A0Normal / Correct=
?=C2=A0=C2=A0am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comment=
s please=C2=A0ThanksBrian=C2=A026A GT6+Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"2">The flywheel has to have locating dowels to maintain=
concentricity with the clutch housing.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">The dowels don't normally get any shear load on them,=
they aren't drive-dogs, the bolt clamping force holds it all in place and =
clamped down tight.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Yes hard shims, soft can crush down and lose bolt tor=
que after awhile.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">If the PP loosens up, the locating dowels won't do mu=
ch to keep it from coming apart...<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: Van Mulders Marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be><br>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 11:13 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"yiv4493166941">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;">Most g=
ood flywheels have locating dowels for the PP as added shear strength. =
; </div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941yqt5227286841" id=3D"yiv4493166941yqt37846">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, May 24, 2019 at =
10:50 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv4493166941gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:1=
0pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);">
<div></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Strongest solution is when the area where the feet are located are a b=
it lower than the friction area of the flywheel : then the PP is strongly l=
ocated and eventually the shims should be trimmed . When the flywheel is en=
tirily flush, the location of the PP is less secure.</div>
<div>If hard steel shims are used, I think this will not be a weak spot?</d=
iv>
<div>Marcel.</div>
<hr id=3D"yiv4493166941gmail-m_-7631651529127139878zwchr">
<div><b>Van: </b>"Scott Barr" <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com><br clear=3D"non=
e"><b>Aan: </b>"Phil Gott" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:vfra=
cing@aol.com">vfracing@aol.com</a>>, "van mulders marcel" <<a rel=3D"=
noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@te=
lenet.be" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";>v=
an.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>>, "fot" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferr=
er" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"n=
one"><b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 14:56:15<br clear=3D"none"><b>On=
derwerp: </b>RE: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941gmail-m_-7631651529127139878WordSection1">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">I=E2=
=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure plate=
. I=E2=80=99ve done that in this situation, using small thin hardened=
washers. Seemed to work
fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-=
go-racing sort of fix. Anyone think that solution is a disaster in th=
e making?</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;"> =
;</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">Scott=
(B.)</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;"> =
;</span></div>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> Fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" =
shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</=
a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Gott via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders=
.marcel@telenet.be">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Marcel, Brian;</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99s last em=
ail. If the fingers point inward, your clutch disc is too thick, indicating=
that the disc and Pressure Plate are incompatible.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Best solution is to get a thinner dis=
c or a compatible PP.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Hope this clears up any confusion.</d=
iv>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;">Phil</d=
iv>
<div id=3D"yiv4493166941gmail-m_-7631651529127139878AppleMailSignature">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><br cle=
ar=3D"none">
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a> wro=
te:</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">So we don't agree; maybe, if the fin=
gers end up flat after tightening, it still can be normal, but if they are =
pointing inwards a bit, it is not correct. You can
made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when t=
ightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the fee=
l in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Marcel.</span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:center;" align=3D=
"center"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;colo=
r:black;">
</span><hr id=3D"yiv4493166941gmail-m_-7631651529127139878zwchr" width=3D"1=
00%" size=3D"3" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font=
-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Van:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;co=
lor:black;">"fot" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:bschirano@yahoo.com">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Brian;</span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">All perfectly normal.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Just be sure that the throwout beari=
ng is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are str=
aight the throwout bearing face should be rounded. If the fingers
have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout bearing face should be flat.=
</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Enjoy your new clutch!</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Phil G=
ott</span></div>
<div id=3D"yiv4493166941gmail-m_-7631651529127139878AppleMailSignature">
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;">Sent from my iPhone</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;color:black;"><br cl=
ear=3D"none">
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <<a rel=3D"noopener=
noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrot=
e:</span></div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Hey Frie=
nds</span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> </=
span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">just ins=
talled a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As I tighten=
ed the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer peaked. S=
o when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will
press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench)=
. Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right. </span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> </=
span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Normal /=
Correct? </span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> </=
span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">am hopin=
g to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please</span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> </=
span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Thanks</=
span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Brian</s=
pan></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"> </=
span></div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">26A GT6+=
</span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4493166941MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Brian Sc=
hirano<br clear=3D"none">
585-305-0349 Cell <br clear=3D"none">
<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:BSchirano@y=
ahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com";>BSchirano@y=
ahoo.com</a></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
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