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Most good flywheels have locating dowels for the PP as added shear
strength.
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:50 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Strongest solution is when the area where the feet are located are a bit
> lower than the friction area of the flywheel : then the PP is strongly
> located and eventually the shims should be trimmed . When the flywheel is
> entirily flush, the location of the PP is less secure.
> If hard steel shims are used, I think this will not be a weak spot?
> Marcel.
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"Scott Barr" <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com>
> *Aan: *"Phil Gott" <vfracing@aol.com>, "van mulders marcel" <
> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>, "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Verzonden: *Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 14:56:15
> *Onderwerp: *RE: [Fot] laycock clutch question
>
> I=E2=80=99m curious about Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure=
plate. I=E2=80=99ve
> done that in this situation, using small thin hardened washers. Seemed t=
o
> work fine, but that was a seat of the pants
> gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-go-racing sort of fix. Anyone think
> that solution is a disaster in the making?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Phil Gott via Fot
> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM
> *To:* van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
> *Cc:* fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question
>
>
>
> Marcel, Brian;
>
> I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fingers point inward, yo=
ur clutch
> disc is too thick, indicating that the disc and Pressure Plate are
> incompatible.
>
> Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatible PP.
>
> Hope this clears up any confusion.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be wrote:
>
>
>
> So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up flat after tightening, it
> still can be normal, but if they are pointing inwards a bit, it is not
> correct. You can made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are
> moving inward when tightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is n=
ot
> correct and the feel in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.
>
> Marcel.
> ------------------------------
>
> *Van: *"fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Aan: *"Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>
> *Cc: *"fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Verzonden: *Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question
>
>
>
> Brian;
>
> All perfectly normal.
>
> Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible with the =E2=80=9Cfi=
ngers.=E2=80=9D
> If the fingers are straight the throwout bearing face should be rounded. =
If
> the fingers have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout bearing face
> should be flat.
>
> Enjoy your new clutch!
>
> Phil Gott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Hey Friends
>
>
>
> just installed a new to me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As
> I tightened the PP the fingers ended up pretty much flat across, no longe=
r
> peaked. So when the hydraulics is engaged the throw out will press the
> clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench). Makes m=
e
> uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.
>
>
>
> Normal / Correct?
>
>
>
> am hoping to put the trans back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> 26A GT6+
>
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell
> BSchirano@yahoo.com
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Mos=
t good flywheels have locating dowels for the PP as added shear strength.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:50 AM van.mulders.marce=
l--- via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:1=
0pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div></div><div><br></div><div>Strongest solution is =
when the area where the feet are located are a bit lower than the friction =
area of the flywheel : then the PP is strongly located and eventually the s=
hims should be trimmed . When the flywheel is entirily flush, the location =
of the PP is less secure.</div><div>If hard steel shims are used, I think t=
his will not be a weak spot?</div><div>Marcel.</div><hr id=3D"gmail-m_-7631=
651529127139878zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>"Scott Barr" <sbarr@McC=
arty-Law.com><br><b>Aan: </b>"Phil Gott" <<a href=3D"mailto=
:vfracing@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>>, "van mu=
lders marcel" <<a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>>, "fot" <<=
a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</=
a>><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 14:56:15<br><b>Onderwerp: <=
/b>RE: [Fot] laycock clutch question<br></div><div><br></div><div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-7631651529127139878WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Cent=
ury Gothic",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I=E2=80=99m curious about=
Glen=E2=80=99s comment on shimming the pressure plate.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve =
done that in this situation, using small thin hardened washers.=C2=A0 Seeme=
d to work
fine, but that was a seat of the pants gotta-load-this-thing-tomorrow-and-=
go-racing sort of fix.=C2=A0 Anyone think that solution is a disaster in th=
e making?</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Cent=
ury Gothic",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Cent=
ury Gothic",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Scott (B.)</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Cent=
ury Gothic",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif"> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Gott via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 7:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; target=3D"_blan=
k">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Marcel, Brian;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree with Marcel=E2=80=99s last email. If the fin=
gers point inward, your clutch disc is too thick, indicating that the disc =
and Pressure Plate are incompatible.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best solution is to get a thinner disc or a compatib=
le PP.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope this clears up any confusion.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Phil</p>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-7631651529127139878AppleMailSignature">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
On May 24, 2019, at 7:25 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.b=
e" target=3D"_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a> wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">So we don't agree; maybe, if the fingers end up f=
lat after tightening, it still can be normal, but if they are pointing inwa=
rds a bit, it is not correct. You can
made a decision by measuring how much the fingers are moving inward when t=
ightening the bolts : if it is more than 3 mm it is not correct and the fee=
l in the clutch pedal won't be normal eather.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Marcel.</span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">
<hr size=3D"3" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" id=3D"gmail-m_-7631651529127=
139878zwchr">
</span></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana=
,sans-serif;color:black">Van:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;col=
or:black">"fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" <<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yaho=
o.com" target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 24 mei 2019 12:19:17<br>
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] laycock clutch question</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Brian;</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">All perfectly normal.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Just be sure that the throwout bearing is compatible =
with the =E2=80=9Cfingers.=E2=80=9D If the fingers are straight the throwou=
t bearing face should be rounded. If the fingers
have a crook in them (bent) then the throwout bearing face should be flat.=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Enjoy your new clutch!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">Phil Gott</span></p>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-7631651529127139878AppleMailSignature">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Sent from my iPhone</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black"><br>
On May 23, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</sp=
an></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hey Friends</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">just installed a new to =
me (rebuilt) laycock PP and a new clutch disc. As I tightened the PP the fi=
ngers ended up pretty much flat across, no longer peaked. So when the hydra=
ulics is engaged the throw out will
press the clutch fingers deflecting inward (invert from when on the bench)=
. Makes me uncomfortable / doesn't seem right.=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Normal / Correct?=C2=A0<=
/span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">am hoping to put the tra=
ns back in tomorrow afternoon, comments please</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Thanks</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Brian</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">26A GT6+</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Brian Schirano<br>
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">BSchirano@yahoo.co=
m</a></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
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