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Maybe something to consider.
When using mineral based oil, the engine collects dirt after a while.
When using synthetic oil, the engine stays clean.
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I use synthetic oil.
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Cheers
Chris
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Von: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von =
van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2018 14:25
An: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
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When the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with detergents =
and other additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler etc... namely =
the engine oil! Frankly, I really wonder if flushing the engine by =
yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated with =
combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons to exchange the engine =
oil every now and then, but is it really possible to do anything better =
than that? I may very well be wrong, but so far I don't understand why =
it is necessary to flush the engine.
Marcel.
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Verzonden: Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
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Brian,
I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the =
accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene
When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the =
pressure up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the =
piston is bottomed.
I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and =
connect it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re =
connect the sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the =
pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out into the pan while =
draining.
Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to =
both ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have =
cheapo oil in the charger,
I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out =
any kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase =
is with new VR-1,
Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the =
oil cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up =
all my oil lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline =
filter and both incoming and out going lines have a connection right on =
top of the L/F fender for easy access.
It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an =
hour. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those =
things are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on =
a change. On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand =
cleaned.
Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as =
it=E2=80=99s generated.
jim
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Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
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would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you =
flush the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it =
apart and cleaned it, but a flush?
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26A GT6+, 28 TR6
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=20
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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot =
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Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn =
oils about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil =
quality. After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my =
oiling system.
I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filter =
element which I change out after every day of racing. The filter =
elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of =
racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is =
changed after two weekends. On each oil change I completely flush
all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the =
handy recirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt =
fluid pump. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure =
there is no kerosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with =
a pressurized oil fill can with VR-1.
This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, cooler =
and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusump and =
it's ready to go on the next engine start.
Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer =
as a result of the extra work.
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On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race =
cars.
There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing =
cutter.
My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the =
hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch =
out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels =
and weight the ends so that it lays flat.
Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to =
see any trash very clearly in the folds.
You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters =
eg fram...
NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.
Glen=20
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Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit =
(Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next =
engine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race =
weekend, before the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a =
cooler since.=20
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But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)
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I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.
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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < =
Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make =
the filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the =
cooler. And what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler =
before it goes back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into =
cooler, say on start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee =
that=E2=80=99s just before the engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the =
Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes from the Accusump =
goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents it going the =
other way.
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And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush =
out the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure =
rinse), but buy a new cooler.
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--Rocky
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From: barry rosenberg via Fot
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM
To: fubog1 ; Phil Gott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?
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Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is =
the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings =
on top. This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change =
your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler =
and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a =
little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of =
course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. I also =
set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts say =
that the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the better.
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Barry
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On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < =
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Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to =
clean. Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing.=20
With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with =
an Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain =
upon standing a while.=20
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < fot@autox.team.net =
I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the =
cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.
It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash =
getting in the engine.
I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.
Glen
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-----Original Message-----=20
From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < fot@autox.team.net =
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am=20
Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Listerati,=20
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For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do =
you run the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the =
filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a =
reason) most run their lines.=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Maybe something to =
consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When using mineral based oil, the =
engine collects dirt after a while.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When using synthetic oil, the =
engine stays clean.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I use synthetic =
oil.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Von:</b> Fot =
<fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>Im Auftrag von =
</b>van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 9. =
Dezember 2018 14:25<br><b>An:</b> Jim Gray =
<toodamnfunky@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> fot =
<fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or =
Oil filter first? also re filters<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>W=
hen the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with =
detergents and other additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler =
etc... namely the engine oil! Frankly, I really wonder if =
flushing the engine by yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine =
oil is contaminated with combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons =
to exchange the engine oil every now and then, but is it really possible =
to do anything better than that? I may very well be wrong, but so =
far I don't understand why it is necessary to flush the =
engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>M=
arcel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter =
id=3Dzwchr></span></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>V=
an: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>&=
quot;fot" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Aan: =
</b>"Brian Schirano" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com";>bschirano@yahoo.com</a>>, =
"fubog1" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com";>fubog1@aol.com</a>>, "fot" =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>>, <a =
href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com";>bownes@web9.com</a>, "Rocky =
Entriken" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com";>rocky@spitfire4.com</a>><br><b>Ver=
zonden: </b>Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: =
[Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re =
filters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I mis-spoke when I said I =
flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the accusump with cheapo oil =
but flush the sump lines with kerosene<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>When I dump the old oil I =
leave the electric valve open and run the pressure up with the Schrader =
valve in the other end to insure the piston is =
bottomed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the =
Schrader valve and connect it to the accusump completely fill the =
accusump with oil, re connect the sump line, put the Schrader valve back =
in and run the pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out into the =
pan while draining.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, =
connect my flusher to both ends of the sump line and circulate some =
kerosene. I still have cheapo oil in the =
charger,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump =
line just to chase out any kerosene and move to the oil cooler and =
cooler lines. The last phase is with new VR-1,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Fully charge the accusump, =
fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the oil cooler and cooler =
lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up all my oil lines to =
make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline filter and both =
incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top of the L/F =
fender for easy access.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and =
flush takes me about an hour. I could make things even easier with dry =
break fittings but those things are really pricey so for now =
I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on a change. On a new engine everything =
will come apart and get hand cleaned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Having that K & P =
filter really helps get tiny debris out as it=E2=80=99s =
generated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'> Brian =
Schirano <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com";>bschirano@yahoo.com</a>> =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> fubog1 =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com";>fubog1@aol.com</a>>; fubog1 via =
Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com";>bownes@web9.com</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com";>rocky@spitfire4.com</a>; JAMES GRAY =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net";>toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>>=
<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re =
filters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>would love to hear more on the flushing =
system. Particularly how do you flush the accusump? there is only one =
way in and out. I've taken it apart and cleaned it, but a =
flush?</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>26A GT6+, 28 TR6</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349 =
Cell <br><a href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp788b544ayiv1874404987><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad =
Penn oils about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining =
oil quality. After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat =
my oiling system.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare =
filter element which I change out after every day of racing. The filter =
elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of =
racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is =
changed after two weekends. On each oil change I completely =
flush</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the =
handy recirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt =
fluid pump. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure =
there is no kerosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with =
a pressurized oil fill can with VR-1.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, =
cooler and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the =
accusump and it's ready to go on the next engine start.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last =
longer as a result of the extra work.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and =
race cars.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big =
tubing cutter.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the =
hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch =
out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels =
and weight the ends so that it lays flat.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able =
to see any trash very clearly in the folds.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some =
filters eg fram...</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Glen</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message----- <br>From: robert bownes <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>> <br>To: Rocky Entriken <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>> <br>Cc: britcars <<a =
href=3D"mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>>; fubog1 <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>; =
vfracing <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>>; FOT <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 =
4:45 pm <br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? =
</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Aft=
er cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit =
(Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next =
engine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race =
weekend, before the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a =
cooler since. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But=
I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the =
hood.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
id=3Dydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226yqt31919><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Any bad =
stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make the =
filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. =
And what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it =
goes back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, =
say on start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just =
before the engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered =
and cooled oil, and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine =
because the check valve prevents it going the other way.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And yeah, =
coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush out the =
lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse), =
but buy a new cooler.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>--Rocky</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
barry rosenberg via Fot</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
fubog1 ; Phil Gott</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc=
:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is =
the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings =
on top. This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change =
your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler =
and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a =
little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of =
course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. I also =
set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts say =
that the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the =
better.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Barry</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955657339043=
78271ydp77e30394yahoo_quoted_4365142166"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < =
<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955657339043=
78271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to =
clean. Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine =
refreshing. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine =
with an Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may =
drain upon standing a while. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955657339043=
78271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700AppleMailSignature"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Sent from my iPhone</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955657339043=
78271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700yqt71373"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><br>On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the =
cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler =
trash getting in the engine.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Glen</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt65298><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message----- <br>From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-</=
span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>To:=
FOT < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 =
2:51 am <br>Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Lis=
terati, </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>For=
those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you =
run the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the =
filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a =
reason) most run their lines. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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nks </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bud=
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>___=
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v></div></div><div id=3Dydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt75592><div =
id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955657339043=
78271ydp77e30394yqt95967"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>___=
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target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a> <br><br><a =
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