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When the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with detergents and =
other additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler etc... namely the engine=
oil! Frankly, I really wonder if flushing the engine by yourself is any be=
tter. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated with combustion blow by, t=
his is one of the reasons to exchange the engine oil every now and then, bu=
t is it really possible to do anything better than that? I may very well be=
wrong, but so far I don't understand why it is necessary to flush the engi=
ne.=20
Marcel.=20
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>, "fubog1" <fubog1@aol.com>, "fo=
t" <fot@autox.team.net>, bownes@web9.com, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@spitfire4=
.com>=20
Verzonden: Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters=20
Brian,=20
I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the acc=
usump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene=20
When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the pressur=
e up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the piston is botto=
med.=20
I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and conne=
ct it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re connect the=
sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PS=
I and blow the oil back out into the pan while draining.=20
Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to bo=
th ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have cheapo o=
il in the charger,=20
I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out an=
y kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase is w=
ith new VR-1,=20
Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the oil =
cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up all my oi=
l lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline filter and bo=
th incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top of the L/F f=
ender for easy access.=20
It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an hou=
r. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those things=
are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on a change.=
On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand cleaned.=20
Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as it=E2=80=99s g=
enerated.=20
jim=20
From: Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com>=20
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM=20
To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>; bownes@we=
b9.com; rocky@spitfire4.com; JAMES GRAY <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters=20
would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you flu=
sh the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it apart and =
cleaned it, but a flush?=20
26A GT6+, 28 TR6=20
Brian Schirano=20
585-305-0349 Cell=20
[ mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com | BSchirano@yahoo.com ]=20
On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot < [ mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oil=
s about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality.=
After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system=
.=20
I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filter ele=
ment which I change out after every day of racing. The filter elements are =
FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of racing I can see=
how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is changed after two w=
eekends. On each oil change I completely flush=20
all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the handy r=
ecirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. =
I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure there is no ke=
rosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with a pressurized oil=
fill can with VR-1.=20
This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, cooler an=
d accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusump and it's r=
eady to go on the next engine start.=20
Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer as=
a result of the extra work.=20
On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
| fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race ca=
rs.=20
There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing cu=
tter.=20
My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the hardware =
off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch out the ele=
ment dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels and weight the e=
nds so that it lays flat.=20
Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to se=
e any trash very clearly in the folds.=20
You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters eg f=
ram...=20
NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.=20
Glen=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: robert bownes < [ mailto:bownes@web9.com | bownes@web9.com ] >=20
To: Rocky Entriken < [ mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com | rocky@spitfire4.com ] >=
=20
Cc: britcars < [ mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net | britcars@bellsouth.net ] >=
; fubog1 < [ mailto:fubog1@aol.com | fubog1@aol.com ] >; vfracing < [ mailt=
o:vfracing@aol.com | vfracing@aol.com ] >; FOT < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit (Ba=
ck in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next engine l=
asted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, before =
the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since.=20
But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)=20
I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.=20
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
BQ_BEGIN
Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make th=
e filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. A=
nd what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goe=
s back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on =
start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the=
engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oi=
l, and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the che=
ck valve prevents it going the other way.=20
And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush ou=
t the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse)=
, but buy a new cooler.=20
--Rocky=20
From: barry rosenberg via Fot=20
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM=20
To: fubog1 ; Phil Gott=20
Cc: [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ]=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is the w=
ay the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top.=
This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the=
cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one=
line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with t=
he fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you mu=
st pre-lube the engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radi=
ator and not in front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water=
temp are to each other, the better.=20
Barry=20
On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < [ mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. =
Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing.=20
With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an=
Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon sta=
nding a while.=20
Sent from my iPhone=20
On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | =
fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
BQ_BEGIN
I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the cooler,=
and a second filter after the cooler.=20
It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash ge=
tting in the engine.=20
I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.=20
Glen=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.n=
et ] >=20
- To: FOT < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am=20
Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Listerati,=20
For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you r=
un the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the filter fi=
rst? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run =
their lines.=20
Thanks=20
Bud=20
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--></style></div><div><br></div><div>When the engine is running, during a r=
ace, a hot fluid with detergents and other additives is flushing the&=
nbsp; engine, oil cooler etc... namely the engine oil! Frankly, =
I really wonder if flushing the engine by yourself is any better. Admitted=
ly, the engine oil is contaminated with combustion blow by, this is one of =
the reasons to exchange the engine oil every now and then, but is it really=
possible to do anything better than that? I may very well be wrong, but&nb=
sp; so far I don't understand why it is necessary to flush the engine=
.</div><div>Marcel.</div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div =
data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br=
><b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>, "fubog1" <fub=
og1@aol.com>, "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>, bownes@web9.com, "Rocky =
Entriken" <rocky@spitfire4.com><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Zaterdag 8 decem=
ber 2018 18:13:14<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter f=
irst? also re filters<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_=
TEXT__"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Brian,</p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene=
. I flush the accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerose=
ne</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">When I dump the old oil I leave the electric v=
alve open and run the pressure up with the Schrader valve in the other end =
to insure the piston is bottomed.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I put the cheap=
oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and connect it to the ac=
cusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re connect the sump line, put=
the Schrader valve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the =
oil back out into the pan while draining.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Then I=
=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to both end=
s of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have cheapo oil in =
the charger,</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that thr=
ough the sump line just to chase out any kerosene and move to the oil coole=
r and cooler lines. The last phase is with new VR-1,</p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill =
the oil cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set =
up all my oil lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline f=
ilter and both incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top =
of the L/F fender for easy access.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It sounds like=
a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an hour. I could mak=
e things even easier with dry break fittings but those things are really pr=
icey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on a change. On a new engi=
ne everything will come apart and get hand cleaned.</p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as it=E2=
=80=99s generated.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">jim</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
</p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Brian Schirano =
<bschirano@yahoo.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; fubog1 via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net>; bownes@web9.com; rocky@spitfire4.com; JAMES GRAY <toodam=
nfunky@comcast.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filte=
r first? also re filters</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman",serif">would love to hear more on the flus=
hing system. Particularly how do you flush the accusump? there is only one =
way in and out. I've taken it apart and cleaned it, but a flush?</span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman",serif">26A GT6+, 28 TR6</span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"=
,serif">Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349 Cell <br><a href=3D"mailto:BSch=
irano@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a></span></p></div>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif"> </span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayahoo=
_quoted_4287730593"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Fr=
iday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot <<a href=3D"=
mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wro=
te: </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p=
></div><div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987"><div><p><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">S=
ome years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oils=
about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality. =
After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system.=
</span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble=
element. I keep a spare filter element which I change out after every day =
of racing. The filter elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So,=
after each day of racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple =
minutes. Oil is changed after two weekends. On each oil change I completely=
flush</span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica",sans-serif;color:#333333">all my oil lines, oil cooler and my ac=
cusump with kerosene with the handy recirculating flusher I made from a 5 g=
allon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil thr=
ough just to make sure there is no kerosene left. After that I recharge the=
entire system with a pressurized oil fill can with VR-1.</span></p><p><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;co=
lor:#333333">This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lin=
es, cooler and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusu=
mp and it's ready to go on the next engine start.</span></p><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33=
3333">Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last lon=
ger as a result of the extra work.</span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </sp=
an></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"=
,sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </spa=
n></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:=
5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12=
.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",san=
s-serif;color:#26282A">On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a=
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a=
>> wrote: </span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I rout=
inely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race cars.</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-=
serif;color:#26282A"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#=
26282A">There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big t=
ubing cutter.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif;color:#26282A">My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the elem=
ent, strip the hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. =
Then stretch out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper=
towels and weight the ends so that it lays flat.</span><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Leave it overni=
ght so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to see any trash ver=
y clearly in the folds.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetic=
a",sans-serif;color:#26282A">You'll also be amazed at how little filte=
r material is in some filters eg fram...</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be=
the best.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetic=
a",sans-serif;color:#26282A"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-=
serif;color:#26282A">Glen</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message----=
- <br>From: robert bownes <<a href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"=
_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>> <br>To: Rocky Entriken <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:rocky@spitfire4.com" target=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>> <br>Cc=
: britcars <<a href=3D"mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
britcars@bellsouth.net</a>>; fubog1 <<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com=
" target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>; vfracing <<a href=3D"mailto:=
vfracing@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>>; FOT <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm <br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or =
Oil filter first? </span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blac=
k">After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit =
(Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next engin=
e lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, befo=
re the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since. </spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for a=
nyone who wants one. :)</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I miss th=
at car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.</span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
;,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;=
color:black"> </span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"=
> </span></p><div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv=
1736221226yqt31919"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Mon, Dec 3, 2=
018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span></p></div>=
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Any=
bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make the f=
ilter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. And =
what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goes b=
ack to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on sta=
rt-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the en=
gine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, =
and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the check =
valve prevents it going the other way.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">A=
nd yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush out=
the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse),=
but buy a new cooler.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">--Rocky</span><=
/p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;c=
olor:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></strong><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color=
:black"> barry rosenberg via Fot</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></strong>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;c=
olor:black"> Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</spa=
n></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",s=
ans-serif;color:black"> fubog1 ; Phil Gott</span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Cc:</span><=
/strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans=
-serif;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">fot@autox.team.net</a></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></strong><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color=
:black"> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?</span></p></div></div></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black=
"> </span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;colo=
r:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">=
Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is the w=
ay the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top.=
This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the=
cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one=
line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with t=
he fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you mu=
st pre-lube the engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radi=
ator and not in front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water=
temp are to each other, the better.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",san=
s-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">Barry</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> =
</span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv=
1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yahoo_quoted_4365142166"><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02=
:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><div id=3D"ydp788b=
544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e3039=
4yiv5084618700"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Filter first. =
Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. Good thought B=
y Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing. </span></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">With a =
cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an Accusu=
mp upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon standing a=
while. </span></p><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736=
221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700AppleMailSignature"><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Sent from my iPhone</span></p></div><di=
v id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955657339043=
78271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700yqt71373"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><br>On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fub=
og1 via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fo=
t@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margi=
n-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#=
26282A">I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the=
cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">It may be overkill=
but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash getting in the engin=
e.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
sans-serif;color:#26282A"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282A">I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"=
>Glen</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif=
;color:#26282A"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:=
#26282A"> </span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt65298=
"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message----- <br>Fro=
m: Bud Rolofson via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">To: FO=
T < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am <br>Subject: [Fot] Oil Co=
oler or Oil filter first? </span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"=
>Listerati, </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For those of you run=
ning a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you run the hose coming O=
UT of the engine into the cooler first or the filter first? Just wanted to =
see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run their lines. </span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks </span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
;,sans-serif;color:black">Bud </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;co=
lor:black">_______________________________________________ </span></p></div=
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