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Subject: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:35:08 +0200 (CEST)
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Thread-topic: Crown and pinion gear break in
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This is interesting. I believe there are only these 2 makes and that neither 
are bad. 
The gears that got very hot in my car was an Oerlikon set but I think that the 
reason for that is the pinion teeth : it is an 4.31 ratio set with only 9 teeth 
on the pinion and these teeth are longer and very curved and maybe they are 
generating more heat? 
In general, whatever method or special tools are used to install the gears, one 
has to use his senses : looking at the mesh pattern with Dykem blue or some 
other paint, listen for a wining sound, feel for heat and smell for burnt oil! 
Marcel 

Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net> 
Aan: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Maandag 10 september 2018 08:36:05 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in 



Maybe something to know about Diffs: 



On Triumphs, these days are two different types of gear available: 



    1. Gleason gears 
    2. Oerlikon gears 




The workshop manual is referring to Gleason gear type. If you got an Oerlikon 
type of gear (the more modern one), and you try to set it up with the Workshop 
manual, then the gear will fail. 

This is because, that the contact pattern, which is shown in the manual, is 
mirrored at an Oerlikon type. 



So most Oerlikons die of wrong contact pattern, with the pinion too deep in the 
Crown wheel, almost touching the carrier. 



Cheers 

Chris 

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--></style></div><div><br></div><div>This is interesting. I believe there a=
re only these 2 makes and that neither are bad.</div><div>The gears that go=
t very hot in my car was an Oerlikon set but I think that the reason for th=
at is the pinion teeth : it is an 4.31 ratio set with only 9 teeth on the p=
inion and these teeth are longer and very curved and maybe they are generat=
ing more heat?</div><div>In general, whatever method or special tools are u=
sed to install the gears, one has to use his senses : looking at the mesh p=
attern with Dykem blue or some other paint, listen for a wining sound, feel=
 for heat and smell for burnt oil!</div><div>Marcel</div><hr id=3D"zwchr" d=
ata-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fo=
t" &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b>"fot" &lt;fot@autox.team.net&g=
t;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Maandag 10 september 2018 08:36:05<br><b>Onderwerp:=
 </b>Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in<br></div><div><br></div><div =
data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Maybe something to know about Diffs:</span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Triumphs, these days are two different ty=
pes of gear available:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">&nbsp;</span></p><ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li =
class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Gleason gears</span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagra=
ph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
Oerlikon gears</span></li></ol><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The workshop m=
anual is referring to Gleason gear type. If you got an Oerlikon type of gea=
r (the more modern one), and you try to set it up with the Workshop manual,=
 then the gear will fail.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US">This is because, that the contact pattern, which is shown in the manua=
l, is mirrored at an Oerlikon type.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>So most Oerlikons die of wrong contact pattern, with the pinion too deep i=
n the Crown wheel, almost touching the carrier.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US">Cheers</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">C=
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