carl is right, but then id make the same argument about tires too (which is
really scary)! we just need a replacement for the SP (Street Prepared)
classes that are really "Street" (current SP allow unlimited modifications
to the emissions equipment, which is illegal for street driven vehicle).
then stock is really stock and budget. if you like to tweak your daily
driver a bit, there should be classes for "True Street" cars, like STS. we
just need more of them. then combine most of the mod, prep and SP classes.
there are more autocrossers ahead of us than behind us- scca needs to cater
to the future of the sport.
-james c
OSP - One Steppenwolf Place
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Merritt" <CMerritt@luminous.com>
To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> You know, this may seem like a crazy idea, but why not just limit Stock
> class to stock shocks? Hmmm...the simplicity of it is downright scary...
>
> -Carl
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Green [mailto:iagreen@ucdavis.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:07 AM
> > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> >
> >
> > I really don't agree with the shock issues going around in
> > stock lately.
> > But I've never ran stock and don't plan on it so I guess its
> > not really my
> > buisness. But if you start limiting shocks to major companies
> > aren't you
> > just helping to shut down the newer, smaller companies?
> > Especially if you
> > start trying to spread those rules beyond stock. We aren't
> > the only form
> > of motorsports but I'm sure that we do make up a signifigant
> > portion of
> > the market that these companies build for. If you limited
> > specialty shocks
> > to prepared/modified you'd probably hurt alot of the upcoming
> > technology
> > and probably lose alot of potential new autocrossers. Running in STS
> > (supposedly the next step from stock) we have alot of
> > discussions about
> > newcomers already exceeding the rules with their daily
> > drivers. Not too
> > many people own prep/mod cars but theres a pretty good number who own
> > street driven cars in various classes with custom built shocks.
> >
> > Ian
> > STS 99
> > shocks $ = 1/2 current blue book $
> >
> > > Hi Anthony
> > >
> > > Your version is definitely much easier to read and
> > understand. The price
> > > limit thing is questionable though. I hope that your kind
> > of thinking
> > could
> > > be applied to the Street Prepared classes too. How can I
> > compete with
> > cars
> > > that have $1500 a corner shocks and struts and have 350rwhp
> > as well as
> > have
> > > 315 or 335 tires sticking out of the wheel wells. Those
> > type of race
> > parts
> > > should be left in the Prepared and Modified classes really.
> > People might
> > > complain that it really only makes a small difference in
> > track time. Add
> > > all those small changes up and the rich guys have much
> > faster cars. My
> > two
> > > cents.
> > >
> > > Kirk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Anthony Tabacco
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:30 AM
> > > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> > >
> > >
> > > The SEB is all over the map on trying to write a revised
> > rule for stock
> > > shocks. You probably read the distilled draft of the rule
> > in Fast-track
> > last
> > > issue. While I appreciate the effort, after mighty debate,
> > it has brought
> > > forth a rule that says that shocks for stock class cars cannot have
> > remote
> > > reservoirs. This isn't even close to good enough. The debate for all
> > > practical purposes is dominated and limited to those very few
> > stakeholders
> > > with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, which
> > means more
> > money
> > > than everyone else would even consider spending, or that
> > they make their
> > > living at servicing them. It is not healthy for the sport,
> > but I think
> > they
> > > were surprised to hear from an "ordinary" member. The response was
> > > interesting. Someone on the SEB asked me (I think
> > sincerely) for specific
> > > language. I am proceeding on the premise that a Koni 2800
> > or a Penske on
> > a
> > > Stock car is as stupid as R Compounds and that a workable
> > shock rule can
> > be
> > > centered around restrictions on cost. If you don't agree
> > with that, you
> > need
> > > to write your own letter because thats where I'm coming
> > from, and here is
> > > what I have:
> > >
> > > "It is the intent of this rule that Stock Class serve as
> > the entry class
> > to
> > > the sport and that cost containment is of primary
> > importance to that
> > goal.
> > > Shock absorbers costs are best controlled by limiting
> > shocks to units
> > > economical enough that outright replacement of a unit is
> > the mandatory
> > > alternative in lieu of rebuilding.
> > >
> > > 1) Shocks shall be limited to one external adjustment,
> > except when OEM.
> > > 2) Shocks are limited to "off the shelf" units available for general
> > > distribution street use to the public typically including, but not
> > limited
> > > to: OEM, Koni single adjustable, Bilstein, Tokiko, KYB, or
> > available "house
> > > brands", or other such units that meet the criteria and
> > intent of the
> > rule.
> > > 3) The use of Koni 2800, Olin, Penske, Fox, DMS, or other such units
> > > specifically manufactured for the specialty racing market are
> > specifically
> > > disallowed.
> > > 4) Shocks shall be installed "as manufactured" and shall
> > not be purchased
> > > from a third party in a modified condition or opened up for
> > any reason
> > by an
> > > entrant or a third party. Revalving, machining, or modifying a shock
> > > absorber for any reason is specifically disallowed. Except
> > as supplied as
> > > OEM, the use of remote reservoirs, alloy bodies, adjustable
> > perches, or
> > > welded off coil-overs is prohibited.
> > > 5) Cost of each unit is limited to $250 per unit or 125% of OEM,
> > whichever
> > > is greater."
> > >
> > > So, how close did I came? This gets added to the usual
> > other stuff there.
> > > Also, if anyone can tell me if the cost item #5 does not
> > work for them
> > (like
> > > what does a 996 shock cost anyway?) or you can add to the list of
> > > allowed/dis-allowed, I would appreciate it. The other smoke
> > and mirror
> > thing
> > > you hear a lot of is enforceability (as though anyone who
> > can get past a
> > > dipstick couldn't find tons of legal horsepower and tons more of
> > > undetectable horsepower) so they are worried that the guy
> > in the next
> > pit is
> > > going to cheat. its just a screen to not change a situation
> > that has
> > evolved
> > > to the ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Be good,
> > > Tony
> > >
> >
> > Ian Green
> > 2003 Team Coleader
> > UC Davis Formula SAE
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