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RE: great school

To: <kirkm@zeta-idt.com>, "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>,
Subject: RE: great school
From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:41:09 -0700
Kirk,

Are you talking about a '93 Mustang? If so, doesn't that car weigh like
3300 lbs. with more than half over the front wheels? So we're talking
about cars that are roughly 1,000 lbs. lighter with close to 50/50
distribution. I would expect lower pressures, but how much lower?

James, your pressures seem low even for your light car. But maybe I
should try it. The treadwear goes all the way to the sidewall corner but
not over. So maybe I can go even lower?!? At that low pressure I'm
afraid of damaging the rims. Maybe I shouldn't worry about that until
the treadwear starts coming over the corner of the tire.

On my 2850 lb. RX-7, using V700s, I got the best sticktion at 30 F / 28
R. Using R1s on that car, the sweet spot was 29 / 27.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Meline [mailto:kirkm@zeta-idt.com] 
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 13:24
> To: james creasy; Michael R. Clements; 'Autocross'
> Subject: RE: great school
> 
> 
> Those are some pretty low numbers.  I run about 44psi up 
> front and 37 in back.  Any less and the old Kumho sidewalls 
> wear too quick.  Just FYI and redundant but I am back on the 
> this list again.  Mark Watson and I will be chairing the next 
> Candlestick event so if you have any suggestions fire away.
> 
> Kirk Meline
> ESP - Extreme Surface Pleasures
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net 
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of james creasy
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:53 PM
> To: Michael R. Clements; 'Autocross'
> Subject: Re: great school
> 
> 
> i use 21 front, 23 rear on my v700 victoracers.  just ordered 
> some of the new escta, and a bigger size for the front as i 
> dont seem to have as much bite on turn-in as the other cars i 
> rode in for the school.
> 
> -james c
> OSP - Outrageous Sidewall Pressures
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
> To: "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>; "'Autocross'" 
> <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:44 PM
> Subject: RE: great school
> 
> 
> > Speaking of traction, where do I get some? I'm down to 26 PSI on my 
> > G-Force tires and they still don't stick much better than street 
> > tires. Over the past year I've gone from the BFG 
> recommended 40 PSI to 
> > 26 PSI in 2 PSI increments. Lower pressures do stick a bit 
> better, but 
> > I have yet to get any serious "grip" with these tires. Nothing like 
> > what I used to get with Kumhos on the RX-7.
> >
> > Do G-Forces really suck that bad? Is that why BFG stopped 
> making them?
> >
> > OSP - Obtesting for Sticktion Perpetually
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:22
> > > To: Michael R. Clements; Autocross
> > > Subject: Re: great school
> > >
> > >
> > > bumps?   at candlestick?  ive never heard anyone mention this.  :)
> > >
> > > dude, if it didnt actually BREAK your car, you should be glad!  i 
> > > was a bit bouncy, but seemed to have plenty of traction 
> (most of the 
> > > time).  my headers got loose sunday, but it seemed to 
> survive sunday 
> > > ok.
> > >
> > > -james c
> > >  OSP - Ouch, Sucky Pavement
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael R. Clements" <mrclem@telocity.com>
> > > To: "Autocross" <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:04 PM
> > > Subject: great school
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks to Vernon and everyone else who made the school
> > > happen. I had a
> > > > great time. The exercises were instructive and the course
> > > was fast and
> > > > fun. It was a blast to be in the car helping my "students"
> > > go faster
> > > > and faster. I use the word "student" in quotes because I
> > > felt like a
> > > > student myself as trying to help them go faster made me
> > > really analyze
> > > > and improve my own driving too.
> > > >
> > > > P.S.
> > > > On the back side after the 2nd slalom, my car felt like a
> > > pogo stick,
> > > > bouncing up and down working the suspension, unsetting the
> > > tires and
> > > > losing traction even in a straight line. It seemed smoother
> > > in Frank's
> > > > BMW 540. Is that just me or did others experience the same
> > > thing? Do I
> > > > have suspension adjustments in my near future?
> > > >
> > > > Michael R. Clements

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