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1. Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:59:37 -0700; How many ESP drivers are in SM this year? Looks like around 10 cars are old ESP cars. That would have brought your ESP total into the ballpark where it blows your 'numbers' away. AB Jeff Winchell <jw; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00356.html (8,998 bytes)
2. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Jeff Winchell" <Jeff@Winchell.Com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:20:52 -0700; In SM, there is 4 Mustangs, 2 Talons, and 2 Z28s. If those 8 cars were added to ESP, there would be 47 drivers. They would need to have another 20 ESP drivers to give ESP the proportion of the total; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00361.html (8,500 bytes)
3. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:45:16 -0700; Don't forget the Supra's for a total of 10. There are only 37 in ESP this year. Add the 10 I speak of and you get 47 this year - WAY down from 50 last year - come on. Total numbers look pretty simila; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00364.html (9,230 bytes)
4. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Jeff Winchell" <Jeff@Winchell.Com>; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:18:18 -0700; Supras aren't in ESP. Attendence at nationals is up dramatically. What is ST? I'm having a hard time following ANY of your logic in these discussions.; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00371.html (8,525 bytes)
5. Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com; Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:59:37 -0700; How many ESP drivers are in SM this year? Looks like around 10 cars are old ESP cars. That would have brought your ESP total into the ballpark where it blows your 'numbers' away. AB Jeff Winchell <jw; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00374.html (9,095 bytes)
6. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com; Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:49:42 -0700; Supras WERE in ESP last year...so you lose a couple of cars there. ST is a newish class and (Street Touring) those drivers attending in a new class skew your results...seems simple to me. AB "Jeff Wi; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00377.html (9,039 bytes)
7. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT); And why do you suppose they're running there instead of ESP? That's it! The M3 in ESP was all a crafty plot by DG and the SM crowd to pump up their numbers! Ok guys, you've had your fun. Now please; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00430.html (8,901 bytes)
8. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:06:43 -0400; old ESP blows Actually, I don't think any of the ESP->SM defectors are there because of Bob Tunnell. They're there because SM allows them to do something that ESP doesn't. I'm actually quite pleasant; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00581.html (9,794 bytes)
9. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:43:24 -0400 (EDT); First, I said "Dominated" not "won by". There's a distinct difference. Everyone going to nationals that paid attention to the results knew who was gonna win ESP already. Second, the name on the fend; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00584.html (9,252 bytes)
10. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Loren Williams <Loren@kscable.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:29:52 -0500; I really shouldn't get into this, but... If it is not permissible for anything other than an American-made "pony car" to win this class, why are other cars even classified there? If the intent is tha; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00622.html (9,408 bytes)
11. RE: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:55:27 -0700; Your inference doesn't follow from Mark's statement. It is possible for a class to be a ponycar class, and for non-ponycars to do well, and even from time to time win by a normal margin at the natio; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00627.html (10,181 bytes)
12. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Erik Van-der-Mey <autox@webcentrix.net>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:04:21 -0500; So what is the majority opinion of what ESP is supposed to be?? (please be specific for those of us not in ESP or other SP classes...) -- Erik Van-der-Mey erik@nolimitsperformance.com No Limits Perf; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00636.html (10,113 bytes)
13. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Loren Williams <Loren@kscable.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:06:19 -0500; Depends on how you read it, I suppose. If they'd left the turbo issue alone and a DSM actually won... oh yeah, there would have been a big outcry. Is 1.1 seconds overall really a large margin? Last y; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00637.html (11,906 bytes)
14. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:11:26 -0400 (EDT); Having said that, I agree mostly with what you said with the exception that the Talon has proven itself to be competitive without being dominant and should be left in the class due to historical rea; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00640.html (9,568 bytes)
15. RE: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Jeff Winchell <jwinchell@Giftspot.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:49:29 -0700; outcry to If they won by a large margin, and did it consistently, then yes it would be like the situation with the M3. As it happened, the top non-M3 in the ProSolo points was a DSM. OTOH, in this y; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00646.html (10,805 bytes)
16. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Loren Williams <Loren@kscable.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:44:01 -0500; If there is no complaint about the DSM's mixing it up in the top positions, I fail to see the gripe with the M3. The M3 is not dominating, Bob Tunnell is dominating. The other M3's in competition are; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00650.html (10,584 bytes)
17. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Mark J. Andy" <marka@telerama.com>; Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:17:55 -0400 (EDT); Only because (IMHO obviously) they cost double what a pony car costs (both to buy and I suspect to build). There aren't that many folks that have that kinda money laying around to pump it into a car; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00655.html (9,804 bytes)
18. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net>; Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:44:26 -0400; OK, forget whether it should be in ESP or not, I know that the SEB will make a good decision. Let's just talk about your HO (humble opinion, not... well, you get the idea) on M3 costs. ;-) You can't; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00668.html (10,778 bytes)
19. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Eric Linnhoff" <eric10mm@qni.com>; Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:37:26 -0500; == So then what exactly is an M3? Why, it's a German pony car. Go ahead and put it into BSP next year. Bob will just get faster in it and probably beat yet another "sacred cow" class. Then what? I t; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00669.html (9,314 bytes)
20. Re: Was M3 - - now ESP participation (score: 1): Author: "Otto Crosser" <ottocrosser@hotmail.com>; Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:57:35 EDT; Ok, Ok, Since everyone is so upset with Bob for bringing an M3 into ESP and pounding their heads into the sand, And I believe Bob has been quoted as saying that the Pony cars are under-prepared, Mayb; /html/autox/2000-09/msg00679.html (8,248 bytes)

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