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1. Heat question (score: 1): Author: John Bach <jbach@bgrcompanies.com>; Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:38:59 -0500; This is a question for the engineers on the list. I am not an engineer. I live in NW Ohio (cold). I have a separate garage/shop heated with a natural gas furnace. I normally set the temperature aroun; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00057.html (7,601 bytes)
2. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Karl Vacek" <KVacek@Ameritech.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:58:21 -0600; The greater the differential in temperature between the inside and the outside, the faster the garage will lose heat. Therefore, on a 25 degree day outside, your furnace will run more when the thermo; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00058.html (8,679 bytes)
3. RE: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Mullen, Tim $IIS$" <Tim.Mullen@ngc.com>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:15:38 -0500; Probably about the same, but it take more energy to maintain the temperature at 60 degrees than it does to maintain 45 for the time you are not there... Tim Mullen; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00059.html (7,544 bytes)
4. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:50:33 -0500; Karl Writes... I had a the same question. I was wondering if anyone knew of a good place for figuring out how to set automatic thermostats for better efficacy. I've heard that you should not have the; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00061.html (8,060 bytes)
5. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Karl Vacek" <KVacek@Ameritech.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:34:12 -0600; Setting the thermostat lower will save more if it's set back for the same amount of time. The difference comes into play when you have to set the temperature up far sooner in order to have the house; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00062.html (9,307 bytes)
6. RE: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Mullen, Tim $IIS$" <Tim.Mullen@ngc.com>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:07:57 -0500; Off subject: Unless you have the stupid "smart" thermostat like the one on my furnace. It tracks how long it takes to warm up to a temperature at the time of day. So if you set it to 70 degrees at 7; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00063.html (8,618 bytes)
7. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Karl Vacek" <KVacek@Ameritech.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:26:47 -0600; Similarly off-topic. I've long wondered why residential HVAC systems don't have more sophisticated controls like commercial systems - thermostats that check the outdoor temperature and compensate acc; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00064.html (9,082 bytes)
8. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>; Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:29:06 -0500; They can... Indoor and outdoor reset boiler controls. Monitor the amount of heat being taked from the system while also monitoring outdoor air temp. I believe there's an anemometer input too. www.tek; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00066.html (8,818 bytes)
9. RE: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:56:27 -0800; I've not looked into what's available, but it certainly doesn't have to be that way. The thermostat can "know" how long it takes the house to warm up with full heat applied, and get a new measuremen; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00067.html (8,401 bytes)
10. RE: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:04:16 -0800; I disagree. The savings will be less than if you set 70 degrees later, but you will always save more energy by using a lower setback temperature. Unless of course your setback temp is below ambient; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00068.html (8,818 bytes)
11. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:12:33 -0500; Jim writes... This is the controller that I put in my new garage. It's got 6 temp sensors for the single zone of radiant floor heat. 1-in floor 1-inside 1-outside 1-home boiler temp 1-water going int; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00069.html (8,502 bytes)
12. RE: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:14:12 -0800; Oddly enough, my high school physics teacher asked me that very question almost 40 years ago (although in relation to refrigeration rather than heating). It does not "waste" energy to bring the temp; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00070.html (9,410 bytes)
13. RE: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:28:31 -0800; John, this is probably beat into the ground already, but I didn't see the answer to your question as stated. Assuming the outside temperature is below 60, then it will take more energy to raise the; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00071.html (8,926 bytes)
14. RE: Heat question (score: 1): Author: "Gordie's Garage" <mg_garage@comcast.net>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:38:59 -0500; I've been using a home automation system called Stargate for @ 12yrs. I have outdoor and individual room temp sensors. With this system (and some programming) you have unlimited control. I simply sh; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00072.html (10,568 bytes)
15. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: Dave & M <rusd@velocitus.net>; Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:06:17 -0700; There is more to comfort than just the air temperature. A prolonged set back will lower the temperature of literally tons of building materials & house contents. It takes a long time to bring this th; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00073.html (8,926 bytes)
16. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: Michael Porter <portermd@zianet.com>; Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:58:47 -0700; Well, all that depends upon heat loss (Z factor) through the materials. The purpose of insulation is to slow that rate (which is why it's always more economical to put money into insulation than fuel; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00074.html (9,224 bytes)
17. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: Chris Kantarjiev <cak@dimebank.com>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:18:26 -0800 (PST); One of many reasons that radiant floor heating is such a win...; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00075.html (8,136 bytes)
18. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: David Hillman <hillman@planet-torque.com>; Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:50:13 -0500 (EST); Speaking of which, is it really? I've been shopping for radiant to retrofit into my family room, and was surprised to find that my electricity costs just a bit over twice as much as my natural gas pe; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00076.html (8,210 bytes)
19. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: Rush <jdrush@enter.net>; Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:00:19 -0500; Pennsylvania put out a brochure for commercial buildings that recommended the following to prevent frozen pipes and minimize energy use. Never let the building get below 55, since some portions of th; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00077.html (8,366 bytes)
20. Re: Heat question (score: 1): Author: eric@megageek.com; Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:07:30 -0500; David asks... Ok, this is my take over many years and lot of different experiences heating areas. I may be way wrong, but it's based on my human or human*like* if you ask my ex's!) feeling of heat. T; /html/shop-talk/2005-12/msg00078.html (10,056 bytes)

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