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61. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:08:12 -0500; You make a good point. Unfortunately, the wording in the S2RB predates the complicated situation we now have. Who determines "normal" service manual collection..? I think of the "service manual" as i; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00024.html (8,701 bytes)
62. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:11:48 -0500; Another good point made. This might get into the realm of "diagnostic bond" (similar to "teardown bond") posted by the protestor to diagnose the OBD II system. Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00025.html (8,405 bytes)
63. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:12:24 EST; I wouldn't count on it! Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00036.html (8,150 bytes)
64. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:19:49 EST; My reference to suspension was in reference to the OBD II question. I have seen protests on stock suspensions solved by FSMs, too. If you supply your FSM and it doesn't have that info, burden of proo; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00037.html (8,922 bytes)
65. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:58:44 -0500; And in fact, some years back, I sat on a Nationals Protest where the protestee supplied a Haynes Manual to support his valve springs and valves in an SP car. The protestor supplied a Factory Service; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00043.html (9,322 bytes)
66. Re: Hard & Set rules vs. Comfort & Convience interpretation (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:18:03 -0500; MY OPINION: You can change fabric on the seats to leather or another fabric under comfort and convenience. You don't have to replace door panel fabric, etc. or paint color when doing so. Again, my op; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00054.html (7,574 bytes)
67. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:48:42 EST; How do you figure this? If the flat rate to r&r a Spitfire cylinder head is 4 hours, and a fair shop rate is set at, let's say $75.00/hr, the labor portion of the teardown bond is $300.00. Why would; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00080.html (9,109 bytes)
68. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 00:13:36 EST; So, if you are protested on something where just the head comes off, and it has to come off at the event in order to adjudicate the protest, what do we do? Fly in "your guy" at the protestor's expens; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00085.html (9,491 bytes)
69. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:19:05 EST; Okay, here I go disagreeing with Rocky, again... I'm not convinced that it "starts" with the accuser. Sometimes it starts with a vehicle which appears faster than it should be. Make it harder to prot; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00112.html (11,287 bytes)
70. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:21:54 EST; Okay, here I go disagreeing with Rocky, again... I'm not convinced that it "starts" with the accuser. Sometimes it starts with a vehicle which appears faster than it should be. Make it harder to prot; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00113.html (11,259 bytes)
71. Re: Shop Manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:09:22 EST; I think you should re-post this on 4/1/04... Because you can't be serious... Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00132.html (8,474 bytes)
72. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:11:41 EST; Add the Camaro/Firebirds and VW Rabbit/Scirocco to that list. Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00133.html (8,206 bytes)
73. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:59:43 -0500; I remember accepting Bentley as the official manual for VWs and the British cars. I know they state that they are the official manual for MGs etc. right inside the cover... Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00159.html (8,325 bytes)
74. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:27:35 -0500; Yeah, and for Hondas we can ask Chuck Noonan and Oscar Jackson... Charlie; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00185.html (8,704 bytes)
75. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:07:37 -0500; You seem to forget that people lie, cheat and can be misinformed. Lets say all the guys in the Widget club swear it has 1.60" intake valves. Maybe that's because the OE 1.40" valves have been outrage; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00189.html (9,883 bytes)
76. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:19:15 -0500; I remember a time about 17 years ago when a "reputable Honda engine builder" was telling everyone that some Civic/CRX Si blocks came with the pistons popped up 0.010" above the deck at TDC, and other; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00190.html (8,217 bytes)
77. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:37:22 EST; What is it that YOU don't understand? So in order to be competitive in that STOCK class, everyone has to take their engine completely apart and mill the block .020" to have a competitive engine? That; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00194.html (8,755 bytes)
78. Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:12:58 EST; My point is that your suggestion would have us all over the map on what the "current accepted measurement" is for a given item. Yes, blocks had to be measured. There are some friendly people within t; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00212.html (9,663 bytes)
79. Re: threaded collars for struts (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:07:53 EST; Lefthander Chassis [(800) 779-6461] shows Bilstein kits for 7" and 9" shocks, and they show individual parts (Carrera or Pro) for 2" O.D. steel shocks. The threaded tubes are shown as either 5 or 7"; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00245.html (6,692 bytes)
80. Re: Update Question (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:35:56 EST; I disagree that this is legal. If you take a 2004 car and rebuild it to a different 2004 spec, I agree that's legal. But you can't make one year of car into another, unless you change it to a 2004 VI; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00265.html (6,870 bytes)

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