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Arch,
Those notes may be really useful for the Magnette Technical website. Are
you happy to liaise with Stephen Tickell on this?
Kind regards,
David
On 2 December 2013 12:42, Arch Boston <arch.boston@twc.com> wrote:
> Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave Liveley? giving directions
> for a DIY 5 speed conversion. If anyone is interested I will try to find
> the notes. His directions were rather complete. Strange that no
> transmission made in this century can be utilized. Arch
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <davidh@egopharm.com> wrote:
>
> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford type =
9
> gearbox. It is a great conversion. It fits easily, with very little in
> the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.
>
> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday. I really miss that
> 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David
>
>
>
> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net>w=
rote:
>
>> Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a
>> 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple
>> stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side locat=
ed
>> tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw clear
>> through and check the level through the side from the inside of the cock=
pit
>> but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where t=
he
>> old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box=
,
>> 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gea=
r
>> for freeway use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear =
as
>> I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rp=
m;
>> and 1st syncro is sure nice too. Very nice kit.
>>
>> Wombat
>>
>> *From:* Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
>> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<zmagnette@autox.team=
.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>
>> Mike and Charles,
>>
>> Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a challeng=
e
>> on Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear gears presumed the 18=
00
>> was already in the picture.
>>
>> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see
>> I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all -
>> there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. Also no=
te
>> that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It clears the
>> tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was
>> Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the
>> extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the
>> six-cylinder engine. They do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-spe=
ed
>> to "A block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt
>> well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on occasion and have
>> dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a Rivergate/210 five-speed, a
>> Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front. The trick is to FiND a =
210
>> 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up also. BTW=
,
>> there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen. We may have another optio=
n
>> before long. Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will speak to thi=
s.
>>
>> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more
>> trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little
>> return for your money and effort. It would be nice to capitalize on tha=
t
>> free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most
>> worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3syn=
c
>> non-od transmission. If you advertised to MGB guys that you were curren=
tly
>> accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by
>> morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some
>> sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes. I gave away
>> four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that
>> I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid will get the house an=
d
>> everything that's in the bank.
>>
>> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty
>> easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB
>> 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2=
"
>> rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would
>> require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if
>> anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box. After all, a Triumph has t=
o
>> be good for something... ;-) ;-) ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Allen
>> ******************************************************************
>>
>> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Wayward=
MGs*
>> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
>> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
>> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>>
>> ******************************************************************
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:
>>
>> Allen,
>>
>> Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB OD
>> transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My concer=
n
>> was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a little
>> fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote
>> control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there. I'll
>> compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
>>
>> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed
>> from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it looks like the
>> sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also. It looks
>> like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans. I would use=
it
>> if I can work out relocating the shift lever.
>>
>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider
>> using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. I could
>> keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb
>> engine.
>>
>> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsun
>> 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.
>>
>> Charlie Durning
>>
>> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net>=
wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z
>>> five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit. I've done it on =
two
>>> different Magnettes. The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit =
of
>>> fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science. The bit in questi=
on
>>> is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available fro=
m
>>> either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built
>>> version for the Magnette.
>>>
>>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty
>>> darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to the car. =
Bear
>>> in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission wi=
th a
>>> kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much materia=
l
>>> was removed from the back of the shifter opening. In fact, this is mor=
e
>>> than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it. I cho=
se
>>> not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to revers=
e
>>> the conversion. In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by usi=
ng a
>>> Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG than I wou=
ld
>>> have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this approach is tha=
t
>>> the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front
>>> U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of cour=
se
>>> has it's own front yoke and transmission spline.
>>>
>>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. I did
>>> rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit it=
s
>>> new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>>>
>>> One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission choice,
>>> first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3=
, a
>>> 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy two-hour job. You
>>> might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the
>>> higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in whi=
le
>>> visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while w=
e
>>> never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), =
they
>>> seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, I started wondering wh=
y I
>>> had gone to all this effort. But then I get on the I-69 here in Michig=
an
>>> with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, alo=
ng
>>> with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>> Allen
>>> ******************************************************************
>>>
>>> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Waywar=
d MGs*
>>> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
>>> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
>>> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>>>
>>> ******************************************************************
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:
>>>
>>> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in
>>> my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are s=
o
>>> much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost=
no
>>> modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to bu=
ild
>>> a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo g=
ear
>>> box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making =
a
>>> clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do =
not
>>> remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity=
.
>>>
>>> Steve Kirby <skirby210@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to
>>>> offer up this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many,
>>>> mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee supe=
rb
>>>> header set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full late B
>>>> synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various things he =
had
>>>> to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is much
>>>> higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded hi=
m a
>>>> bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>>>>
>>>> #2SteveK
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* LannM@aol.com
>>>> *To:* zmagnette@autox.team.net
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>>>
>>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync. Compare =
a
>>>> 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is noticeably
>>>> different. I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of w=
ork
>>>> with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around. Even then, its still a =
tight
>>>> fit. I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>>>
>>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, an=
d
>>>> probably cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> Lann
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>>> durningcharles@gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. It would
>>>> still be too far back, not to mention the height. I was thinking abou=
t
>>>> eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the openin=
g on
>>>> the trans where the remote attaches. I still have to get under the ca=
r and
>>>> do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>>>>
>>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direc=
t
>>>> shifter. That would keep me from having to make something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charlie Durning
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <monster@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB
>>>>> engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit=
,
>>>>> and a new tunnel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed fo=
r
>>>>> a 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh=
?
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>>> Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
>>>>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the transmissio=
n
>>>>>> tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
>>>>>> synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
>>>>>> might as well go five-speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Arch,<br><br></div>Those notes may be really useful f=
or the Magnette Technical website.=A0 Are you happy to liaise with Stephen =
Tickell on this?<br><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">=
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br><br></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 2 December 2013 12:42, Arch Boston <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:arch.boston@twc.com"; target=3D"_blank=
">arch.boston@twc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave =
Liveley? giving directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion. =A0If anyone is in=
terested I will try to find the notes. =A0His directions were rather comple=
te. =A0Strange that no transmission made in this century can be utilized. A=
rch<br>
<br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Dec 1, 2013, =
at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <<a href=3D"mailto:davidh@egopharm.com"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">davidh@egopharm.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion=
with the Ford type 9 gearbox.=A0 It is a great conversion.=A0 It fits easi=
ly, with very little in the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.<=
br>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drov=
e my original and standard ZB yesterday.=A0 I really miss that 5th gear and=
syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">
<br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div>
</div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & I=
sabel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"=
target=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have=
=20
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, require=
s=20
only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the=
side=20
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw =
clear=20
through and check the level through the side from the inside of the cockpit=
but=20
don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the old =
one=20
did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is di=
rect=20
drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway=20
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It ge=
ts=20
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro =
is=20
sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;font-family:=
"Calibri";text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"bachldrs@comcast.net" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs=
@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div><div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:zmagne=
tte@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">List for the Z Magnette Group - North=
=20
America</a> </div>
</div><div><div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in=
ZB</div></div></div></div></div>
<div>=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;font-family:=
"Calibri";text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><div><div>Mike=
=20
and Charles,=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Yeah,=A0 I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a=20
challenge on Lombard Hill!=A0 I guess my consideration of rear gears presum=
ed=20
the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can se=
e=20
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at=
all - there's=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable.=A0 Also note that I=
=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket.=A0 It clears the tower=
=20
nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate&=
#39;s=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme durabi=
lity=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine.=A0 They=
=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engi=
nes. Designed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my e=
ye=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, =
a=20
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up=20
front.=A0 The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z=
=20
5-speeds are drying up also.=A0 BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 bu=
ll=20
pen.=A0 We may have another option before long.=A0 Hopefully somebody who=
=20
knows more than I will speak to this.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be mor=
e=20
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little retu=
rn=20
for your money and effort.=A0 It would be nice to capitalize on that free o=
ne=20
you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most worthless p=
art=20
on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od=20
transmission.=A0 If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently=20
accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning=
.=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the=
=20
internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes.=A0 I gave away four of them=
=20
about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'=
ll will to one of=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's=
in the=20
bank. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty=
=20
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the=
MGB=20
4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2&qu=
ot;=20
rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would req=
uire=20
about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if any=
body's tried=20
this with a Triumph TR6 box.=A0 After all, a Triumph has to be good for=20
something...=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-)=A0 ;-) </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>
<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Allen,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks for the response.=A0 I'm not intending on using a MGB OD=
=20
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine.=A0 My conce=
rn=20
was with the location of the shifter.=A0 I'm thinking that with a lit=
tle=20
fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote=
=20
control.=A0 I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.=A0=20
I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he remov=
ed=20
from a wrecked MGB.=A0 It's FREE.=A0 I looked it over and it looks li=
ke=20
the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also.=A0 It=
=20
looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans.=A0 I=20
would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would cons=
ider=20
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine.=A0 I coul=
d=20
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20
engine.=A0 </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Dat=
sun=20
200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br clear=3D"all=
"></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20
watching.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachel=
der <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way =
to do=20
this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!)=
and a=20
Rivergate kit.=A0 I've done it on two different Magnettes.=A0 The k=
it=20
is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but=
it=20
isn't rocket science.=A0 The bit in question is the transmission mo=
unt.=20
The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Wood=
son=20
and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pret=
ty=20
darn easy.=A0 The pictures show the only modifications done to the=20
car.=A0 Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun=20
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture sh=
ows=20
how much material was removed from the back of the shifter opening.=A0 =
In=20
fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I de=
alt=20
with it.=A0 I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future=
=20
owner wants to reverse the conversion.=A0 In this sense, in answer to=
=20
frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually preser=
ved=20
more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20
advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still f=
its -=20
requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit th=
e=20
Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmis=
sion=20
spline.=A0 </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
boot.=A0=A0 I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a=20
body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at a=
ll.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>One more thought.=A0 If you're undecided about the transmissio=
n=20
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set wi=
th a=20
4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9.=A0 This is an easy two-hour=
=20
job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're hap=
py with=20
the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rod=
e in=20
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and w=
hile=20
we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our i=
nterstates),=20
they seemed remarkably unstressed.=A0 For awhile there, I started=20
wondering why I had gone to all this effort.=A0 But then I get on the=
=20
I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happ=
y to have=20
my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
<div>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;FONT-VAR=
IANT:normal;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate;TE=
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l;LINE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K state=
s I=20
installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not e=
ven=20
consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. T=
he=20
come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to =
the=20
car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmis=
sion=20
mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable.=
Then=20
deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic=
=20
line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember ex=
actly=20
what. I think that covers it all.<br>--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"=
>=A0</span><br>Sent from my Android phone=20
with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span><a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10=
pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/"; target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span style=3D"=
FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</span>Mail. Please excuse my=20
brevity.<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby <<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt=
" href=3D"mailto:skirby210@cox.net"; target=3D"_blank">skirby210@cox.net</a>=
>=20
wrote:=20
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0p=
t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3">It is=20
not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offe=
r up=20
this answer, but I will anyway!=A0 One of my first, of many, mentor=
s,=20
in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb hea=
der=20
set up many of us have purchased.=A0 Steve did put a full late B=20
synchro in his.=A0 I do remember Steve describing the various thing=
s=20
he had to do.=A0 Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay=
=20
grade is much higher than mine.=A0 Perhaps Steve will answer, now=
=20
that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
directly.</font></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3"></font>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3">#2SteveK</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:r=
gb(0,0,0) 2px solid;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228)">=
<b>From:</b><span>=A0</span><a title=3D"LannM@aol.com" href=3D"mailto:LannM=
@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">LannM@aol.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span>=A0</span><a title=
=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span>=A0</span>Tuesda=
y,=20
November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span>=A0</span>Re:=
=20
[Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div><font color=3D"#000000" fa=
ce=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync =
is=20
wider than the 3 sync.=A0 Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.=A0=
=20
The transmission tunnel is noticeably different.=A0 I've put =
a 4=20
sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hamme=
r to=20
move sheet metal around.=A0 Even then, its still a tight fit.=A0=
=20
I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5=
speed=20
would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19=
:44=20
A.M. Central Standard Time,<span>=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:durn=
ingcharles@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">durningcharles@gmail.com</a><span>=
=A0</span>writes:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT=
:blue 2px solid"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#000=
000" face=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even modi=
fying the=20
remote would work.=A0 It would still be too far back, not to=20
mention the height.=A0 I was thinking about eleminating the=20
remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the =
trans=20
where the remote attaches.=A0 I still have to get under the car=
=20
and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car =
used=20
the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter.=A0 That would keep m=
e=20
from having to make something.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=A0</div></div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">On Tue, Nov=
26, 2013=20
at 1:58 AM,<span>=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr"><<a title=3D"ma=
ilto:monster@caverock.net.nz" href=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">monster@caverock.net.nz</a>></span><span>=A0</span>wrote:<b=
r>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MAR=
GIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><br><a title=
=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"=
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html"; target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>O=
xford.html</a><br>
<br>On=20
the above page are some photos and a description of fitting a=
n MGB=20
engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farin=
a=20
Oxford.<br>It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlev=
er=20
extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<br><br>I'd agree that=
the=20
benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a 3-synch=
ro=20
box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the=20
non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?=20
:-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span>=A0</span><br>Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;M=
ARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Charlie,<br=
>Even=20
without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync=20
sits<br>high and your going to have to substantially reshap=
e the=20
transmission<br>tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocio=
us price=20
to pay for a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're goin=
g to that=20
much trouble, you<br>might as well go=20
five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font><=
/blockquote></div></font></blockquote></blockquote></div><br><br></div></sp=
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