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Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a =
210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple =
stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side =
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole =
saw clear through and check the level through the side from the inside =
of the cockpit but don=E2=80=99t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty =
much exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the =
same as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease =
it on down the road gear for freeway use...especially if you have =
already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th =
overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice too. =
Very nice kit.
Wombat
From: Allen Bachelder=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
Mike and Charles,=20
Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a =
challenge on Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed the 1800 was already in the picture.=20
I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see =
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - =
there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. Also =
note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It clears =
the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z =
was Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked =
the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the =
six-cylinder engine. They do have kits designed to fit the 210 =
five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they =
also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on =
occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a =
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up =
front. The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the =
280Z 5-speeds are drying up also. BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull pen. We may have another option before long. Hopefully =
somebody who knows more than I will speak to this.
I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more =
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little =
return for your money and effort. It would be nice to capitalize on =
that free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the =
2nd-most worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB =
being a 3sync non-od transmission. If you advertised to MGB guys that =
you were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard =
would be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for =
parts makes some sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od =
boxes. I gave away four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" =
4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid =
will get the house and everything that's in the bank.=20
Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty =
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about =
a 2" rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter =
would require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' =
Wonder if anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box. After all, a =
Triumph has to be good for something... ;-) ;-) ;-)=20
Cheers,
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:
Allen,
Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My =
concern was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a =
little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there. =
I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed =
from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it looks like the =
sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also. It looks =
like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans. I would use =
it if I can work out relocating the shift lever.=20
Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider =
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. I could =
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb =
engine. =20
BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=20
Charlie Durning
If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder =
<bachldrs@comcast.net> wrote:
As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun =
280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit. I've done it =
on two different Magnettes. The kit is designed for an MGB so there is =
a bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science. The bit =
in question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is =
available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a =
purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty =
darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to the car. =
Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun =
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening. In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture =
shows how I dealt with it. I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in =
case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion. In this sense, in =
answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I =
actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG =
transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old =
Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint =
yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has =
it's own front yoke and transmission spline. =20
If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. I did =
rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its =
new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission =
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy =
two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs =
I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end =
types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to =
our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, =
I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But then I get =
on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure =
happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per =
1,000 rpm.
FWIW,
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:
As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago =
in my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are =
so much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require =
almost no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you =
need to build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive =
shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the =
frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the =
shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it =
all.
--=20
Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.
Steve Kirby <skirby210@cox.net> wrote:=20
It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my =
place to offer up this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of =
many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee =
superb header set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full =
late B synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various =
things he had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay =
grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, now that =
I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----
From: LannM@aol.com
To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync. =
Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is =
noticeably different. I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a =
lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around. Even then, =
its still a tight fit. I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, =
easier, and probably cheaper.
Lann=20
In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard =
Time, durningcharles@gmail.com writes:
Robert,
I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. =
It would still be too far back, not to mention the height. I was =
thinking about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly =
to the opening on the trans where the remote attaches. I still have to =
get under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.
It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans =
with a direct shifter. That would keep me from having to make =
something.
Charlie Durning
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <monster@caverock.net.nz> =
wrote:
=
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
On the above page are some photos and a description of =
fitting an MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina =
Oxford.
It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever =
extension to fit, and a new tunnel.
I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the =
mods needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, =
musicians, eh? :-)
regards,
--=20
Robert=20
On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
Charlie,
Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB =
4-sync sits
high and your going to have to substantially reshape the =
transmission
tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay =
for a
synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much =
trouble, you
might as well go five-speed.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have =
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, =
requires=20
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the side=20
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saw clear=20
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cockpit but=20
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the old one=20
did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is =
direct=20
drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway=20
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It =
gets=20
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st =
syncro is=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Wombat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in =
ZB</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite =
a=20
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presumed=20
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<DIV>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see=20
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - =
there's=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. Also note =
that I=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It clears the =
tower=20
nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was =
Rivergate's=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme =
durability=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder =
engine. They=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. =
Designed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep =
my eye=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a =
1275, a=20
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5-speeds are drying up also. BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
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<DIV>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more=20
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return=20
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morning.=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as =
the=20
internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes. I gave away four of =
them=20
about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to =
one of=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's =
in the=20
bank. </DIV>
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<DIV>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved =
pretty=20
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MGB=20
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2"=20
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<DIV>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV>Allen,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB =
OD=20
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My =
concern=20
was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a =
little=20
fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote=20
control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever =
there. =20
I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed=20
from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it =
looks like=20
the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever =
also. It=20
looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that =
trans. I=20
would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would =
consider=20
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. =
I could=20
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20
engine. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun=20
200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <BR =
clear=3Dall></DIV>
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<DIV>Charlie Durning</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20
watching.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen =
Bachelder <SPAN=20
dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"=20
target=3D_blank>bachldrs@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
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<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest =
way to do=20
this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a=20
Rivergate kit. I've done it on two different Magnettes. =
The kit=20
is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - =
but it=20
isn't rocket science. The bit in question is the transmission =
mount.=20
The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce =
Woodson=20
and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is =
pretty=20
darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to =
the=20
car. Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the =
Datsun=20
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows=20
how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening. In=20
fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I =
dealt=20
with it. I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a =
future=20
owner wants to reverse the conversion. In this sense, in =
answer to=20
frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually =
preserved=20
more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20
advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft =
still fits -=20
requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit =
the=20
Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and =
transmission=20
spline. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
boot. I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower =
with a=20
body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at =
all.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One more thought. If you're undecided about the =
transmission=20
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a=20
4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy =
two-hour=20
job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with=20
the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode =
in=20
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, =
and while=20
we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates),=20
they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, I started =
wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But then I get on =
the=20
I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy =
to have=20
my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 =
rpm.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FWIW,</DIV>
<DIV>Allen</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K =
states I=20
installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would =
not even=20
consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to =
do. The=20
come with everything you need and require almost no modifications =
to the=20
car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear =
transmission=20
mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and =
cable. Then=20
deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch =
hydraulic=20
line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember =
exactly=20
what. I think that covers it all.<BR>--<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><BR>Sent from my Android =
phone=20
with<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><A =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=20
href=3D"http://mail.com/"; target=3D_blank>mail.com</A><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN>Mail. Please excuse my=20
brevity.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>Steve Kirby <<A style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt"=20
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target=3D_blank>skirby210@cox.net</A>>=20
wrote:=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman">It is=20
not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up=20
this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, =
mentors,=20
in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header=20
set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full =
late B=20
synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various =
things=20
he had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his =
pay=20
grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, =
now=20
that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
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arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A=20
title=3Dzmagnette@autox.team.net =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>zmagnette@autox.team.net</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =
arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Tuesday,=20
November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =
arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re:=20
[Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </DIV><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3DArial>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 =
sync is=20
wider than the 3 sync. Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 =
sync. =20
The transmission tunnel is noticeably different. I've =
put a 4=20
sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG =
hammer to=20
move sheet metal around. Even then, its still a tight =
fit. =20
I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think Allen is right, a =
Hi-Gear 5 speed=20
would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Lann </DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 =
10:19:44=20
A.M. Central Standard Time,<SPAN> </SPAN><A=20
href=3D"mailto:durningcharles@gmail.com"=20
=
target=3D_blank>durningcharles@gmail.com</A><SPAN> </SPAN>writes:</D=
IV>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
blue 2px solid"><FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 =
face=3DArial>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Robert,</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't think that even =
modifying the=20
remote would work. It would still be too far back, not =
to=20
mention the height. I was thinking about eleminating =
the=20
remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on =
the trans=20
where the remote attaches. I still have to get under =
the car=20
and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It would be good if some BMC =
car used=20
the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter. That would =
keep me=20
from having to make something.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Charlie Durning</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Tue, =
Nov 26, 2013=20
at 1:58 AM,<SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A=20
title=3Dmailto:monster@caverock.net.nz=20
href=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"=20
=
target=3D_blank>monster@caverock.net.nz</A>></SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>=
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><A=20
title=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website =
pages/Dads_Oxford.html"=20
=
href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html"; =
=
target=3D_blank>http://www.beardmorebros.co.<U></U>uk/website%20pages/Dad=
s_<U></U>Oxford.html</A><BR><BR>On=20
the above page are some photos and a description of =
fitting an MGB=20
engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina=20
Oxford.<BR>It includes a pic of shortening the remote =
gearlever=20
extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<BR><BR>I'd agree that =
the=20
benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a =
3-synchro=20
box might not be great.<BR>I also love the sound of the=20
non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?=20
:-)<BR><BR>regards,<BR>--<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>Robert=20
<DIV><BR><BR>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder =
wrote:<BR>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Charlie,<BR>Even=20
without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync=20
sits<BR>high and your going to have to substantially =
reshape the=20
transmission<BR>tunnel to make it fit. That's a =
ferocious price=20
to pay for a<BR>synchronized first gear. If you're going =
to that=20
much trouble, you<BR>might as well go=20
=
five-speed.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>=
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