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As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I
would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to
do. The come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to
the car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission
mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal
with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also
did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think
that covers it all.
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Steve Kirby <skirby210@cox.net> wrote:
It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer up
this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, mentors, in the
Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up many of
us have purchased. Steve did put a full late B synchro in his. I do remember
Steve describing the various things he had to do. Steve is a person of immense
talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer,
now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----
From: LannM@aol.com
To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync. Compare a 3 sync
MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is noticeably different. I've put
a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move
sheet metal around. Even then, its still a tight fit. I can't imagine a
Magnette would be any easier.
I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and
probably cheaper.
Lann
In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,
durningcharles@gmail.com writes:
Robert,
I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. It would still be
too far back, not to mention the height. I was thinking about eleminating the
remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans where the
remote attaches. I still have to get under the car and do some measuring to
see if that would be close.
It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct
shifter. That would keep me from having to make something.
Charlie Durning
If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <monster@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB engine
and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a
new tunnel.
I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a
3-synchro box might not be great.
I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)
regards,
--
Robert
On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
Charlie,
Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
high and your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission
tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
might as well go five-speed.
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bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 rightMargin=7 topMargin=7 bgColor=#ffffff>As Steve
K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not
even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The
come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the car.
To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmission mount, a
transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the
starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some
mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers
it all.<br>
-- <br>
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Please excuse my brevity.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Steve Kirby
<skirby210@cox.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:
0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left:
1ex;">
<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">It is not my place to answer this, and
it is further not my place to offer up this answer, but I will anyway!
One
of my first, of many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he
of thee superb header set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a
full late B synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various
things he had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay
grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've
prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">#2SteveK</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=LannM@aol.com href="mailto:LannM@aol.com";>LannM@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB
trans in ZB</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV>Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync.
Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is
noticeably different. I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a
lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around. Even then,
its
still a tight fit. I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and
probably cheaper.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lann </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,
durningcharles@gmail.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px"><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV>Robert,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. It
would still be too far back, not to mention the height. I was
thinking
about eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the
opening on the trans where the remote attaches. I still have to get
under the car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a
direct
shifter. That would keep me from having to make something.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Charlie Durning</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is
watching.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
title=mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz href="mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz";
target=_blank>monster@caverock.net.nz</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"
class=gmail_quote><BR><A
title="http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html"
href="http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html";
target=_blank>http://www.beardmorebros.co.<U></U>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<U></U>Oxford.html</A><BR><BR>On
the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB engine
and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.<BR>It includes a
pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and a new
tunnel.<BR><BR>I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the
mods
needed for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<BR>I also love the sound
of
the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :-)<BR><BR>regards,<BR>--
<BR>Robert
<DIV class=im><BR><BR>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Charlie,<BR>Even without overdrive, the remote shifter
on the MGB 4-sync sits<BR>high and your going to have to substantially
reshape the transmission<BR>tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious
price to pay for a<BR>synchronized first gear. If you're going to that
much trouble, you<BR>might as well go
five-speed.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>
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