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Good one Arch, lol
Ed
Edward Collins,Jr.
ed3paula@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Arch Boston <arch.boston@twc.com>
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <zmagnette@autox.team.net=
>
Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 7:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
At the risk of seeing old, which I am, in the grand scheme of things, what =
difference does 15-20-30 minutes mean. I remember air mail taking a couple=
of days --- and that was FAST! Enough about slow transmission. If speed =
was important none of us would be playing with "old slow "cars. Arch
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "John Park" <jpark@bmts.com> wrote:
Enough with the list times etc. Reply to the sender only PLEASE!
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From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team=
.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:08 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
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Fletcher,
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Interesting that you got my 8:22 PM note at 8:26. I didn't get it until 8:=
04 this morning! But before I went to bed last night, I received Charlie's=
9:42 PM note (at 10:03 PM), his 10:04 PM note (at 10:06 PM), Perkin's 12:4=
2 PM note (at 10:08 PM - over nine hours later), and Kurt's 11:28 PM note a=
t 12:08 AM. =20
=20
And your 8:52 PM reply to my note? ' Showed up here at 10:08 this morning=
.
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Go figure!
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Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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=20
On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
And just think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!
This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the other nig=
ht which were 30-45 minutes.
It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be tortuous, wi=
th stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it could be either =
- or neither - end. Sequential messages do not necessarily travel the same =
route. I expect a fly by night local ISP could be a factor in this, as it m=
ust interface with a "real" internet doofus.
I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later than (cl=
aimed) sent time - Rock Auto is one.=20
Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?
FRM
On 10/30/2013 8:22 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
I'm seeing erratic response times: some later responses coming in hours bef=
ore some earlier ones. ' Could tolerate the delay much more easily if it w=
ere consistent. I'm talking delays of much more than 30-45 minutes. I'll =
write a reply about this time in the evening and it might not show up for 2=
0-24 hours. In the meantime, other replies are coming in hours earlier, to=
questions posed later. Tonight I received two or three replies before I r=
eceived the questions involved. Somebody sent in a picture. I have a rep=
ly from somebody else who reports seeing it, but I haven't received the pic=
ture post yet...=20
=20
' Don't think we're there yet...
=20
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
Steven Trovato wrote:
OK, so I responded to two different messages on this list. I sent them thr=
ee minutes apart. I received one from the list about 10-15 minutes later. =
The other didn't show up for 30-45 minutes. Can anyone explain to me why =
this is? What is causing such a long delay? I'm sending this one at 7:10p=
m Eastern Time. Now we'll see if everyone gets this at 7:11pm just to make=
a liar out of me. :-)
No, you are not imagining things, there can be some long delays in mail get=
ting sent out from
the server. At the moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly software rela=
ted. The program
that translates between IP addresses and names is not responding as quickly=
as it should. And
with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are a major facto=
r in the Team.Net
mailing list software.
I'm looking into it. Come the spring fund drive I may specifically request=
assistance with a new
machine to run the nameserver, the current one is getting a bit long in the=
tooth. Donate
early, donate often ;-)
I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we shall see. At lea=
st the mail does
eventually go through. Using something like http://www.team.net/forums wou=
ld not have
this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.
mjb.
_______________________________________________
Zmagnette mailing list
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
s@comcast.net
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Zmagnette mailing list
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Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
cust.usachoice.net
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Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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<div>Good one Arch, lol</div>
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<div style=3D"clear: both;">Edward Collins,Jr.<br>
ed3paula@aol.com<br>
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>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Arch Boston <arch.boston@twc.com><br>
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <zmagnette@autox.team.=
net><br>
Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 7:31 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time<br>
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what difference does 15-20-30 minutes mean. I remember air mail takin=
g a couple of days --- and that was FAST! Enough about slow transmiss=
ion. If speed was important none of us would be playing with "old slo=
w "cars. Arch<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
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om">jpark@bmts.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:; font-size: 11pt;"> <a href=3D"=
mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</=
a> [<a href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net?";>mailto:zmagnette-b=
ounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allen Bachelder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] List response time</span></div>
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<div class=3D"MsoNormal">Interesting that you got my 8:22 PM note at 8:26. =
I didn't get it until 8:04 this morning! But before I went to b=
ed last night, I received Charlie's 9:42 PM note (at 10:03 PM), his 10:04 P=
M note (at 10:06 PM), Perkin's 12:42 PM note (at 10:08 PM - over nine hours=
later), and Kurt's 11:28 PM note at 12:08 AM. </div>
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<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;">And just think - th=
ose are the people saying Lucas is bad!<br>
This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the other nig=
ht which were 30-45 minutes.<br>
It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be tortuous, wi=
th stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it could be either =
- or neither - end. Sequential messages do not necessarily travel the same =
route. I expect a fly by night local ISP could be a factor in this, as it m=
ust interface with a "real" internet doofus.<br>
I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later than (cl=
aimed) sent time - Rock Auto is one. <br>
<br>
Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?<br>
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FRM</div>
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delay much more easily if it were consistent. I'm talking delays of m=
uch more than 30-45 minutes. I'll write a reply about this time in th=
e evening and it might not show up for 20-24 hours. In the meantime, =
other replies are coming in hours earlier, to questions posed later. =
Tonight I received two or three replies before I received the questions inv=
olved. Somebody sent in a picture. I have a reply from somebod=
y else who reports seeing it, but I haven't received the picture post yet..=
. </div>
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<div class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, so I responded to two different messages on th=
is list. I sent them three minutes apart. I received one from t=
he list about 10-15 minutes later. The other didn't show up for 30-45=
minutes. Can anyone explain to me why this is? What is causing=
such a long delay? I'm sending this one at 7:10pm Eastern Time. &nbs=
p;Now we'll see if everyone gets this at 7:11pm just to make a liar out of =
me. :-)</div>
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No, you are not imagining things, there can be some long delays in mail get=
ting sent out from<br>
the server. At the moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly sof=
tware related. The program<br>
that translates between IP addresses and names is not responding as quickly=
as it should. And<br>
with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are a major facto=
r in the <a href=3D"http://Team.Net/"; target=3D"_blank">Team.Net</a><br>
mailing list software.<br>
<br>
I'm looking into it. Come the spring fund drive I may specifically re=
quest assistance with a new<br>
machine to run the nameserver, the current one is getting a bit long in the=
tooth. Donate<br>
early, donate often ;-)<br>
<br>
I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we shall see. At lea=
st the mail does<br>
eventually go through. Using something like <a href=3D"http://www.tea=
m.net/forums" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a> would not ha=
ve<br>
this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
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