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I propose that we keep our topics about Magnettes, and stop sending =
messages to the Magnette list that only have to do with how the email =
list works. If there are technical problems with the list server, send =
a message to the person in charge of the tech management of the list, =
not to the whole list. If you want to experiment with sending pictures =
or speed tests, do it with people off the list.
I love all the stuff I learn from you folks about Magnettes. But =
nothing is more boring than a bazillion messages about how to use email =
and the internet and image processing.
--Rick
On Oct 31, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Gene deRuelle wrote:
> Amen !!!!
> =20
> Gene deRuelle
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arch Boston
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
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> At the risk of seeing old, which I am, in the grand scheme of things, =
what difference does 15-20-30 minutes mean. I remember air mail taking =
a couple of days --- and that was FAST! Enough about slow transmission. =
If speed was important none of us would be playing with "old slow =
"cars. Arch
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "John Park" <jpark@bmts.com> wrote:
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>> Enough with the list times etc. Reply to the sender only PLEASE!
>> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:08 PM
>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
>> Fletcher,
>> Interesting that you got my 8:22 PM note at 8:26. I didn't get it =
until 8:04 this morning! But before I went to bed last night, I =
received Charlie's 9:42 PM note (at 10:03 PM), his 10:04 PM note (at =
10:06 PM), Perkin's 12:42 PM note (at 10:08 PM - over nine hours later), =
and Kurt's 11:28 PM note at 12:08 AM. =20
>> And your 8:52 PM reply to my note? ' Showed up here at 10:08 this =
morning.
>> Go figure!
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>> On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> And just think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!
>> This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the =
other night which were 30-45 minutes.
>> It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be =
tortuous, with stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it =
could be either - or neither - end. Sequential messages do not =
necessarily travel the same route. I expect a fly by night local ISP =
could be a factor in this, as it must interface with a "real" internet =
doofus.
>> I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later =
than (claimed) sent time - Rock Auto is one.=20
>>=20
>> Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?
>>=20
>> FRM
>>=20
>> On 10/30/2013 8:22 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>> I'm seeing erratic response times: some later responses coming in =
hours before some earlier ones. ' Could tolerate the delay much more =
easily if it were consistent. I'm talking delays of much more than =
30-45 minutes. I'll write a reply about this time in the evening and it =
might not show up for 20-24 hours. In the meantime, other replies are =
coming in hours earlier, to questions posed later. Tonight I received =
two or three replies before I received the questions involved. =
Somebody sent in a picture. I have a reply from somebody else who =
reports seeing it, but I haven't received the picture post yet...
>> ' Don't think we're there yet...
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
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>> Steven Trovato wrote:
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>> OK, so I responded to two different messages on this list. I sent =
them three minutes apart. I received one from the list about 10-15 =
minutes later. The other didn't show up for 30-45 minutes. =
Can anyone explain to me why this is? What is causing such a long =
delay? I'm sending this one at 7:10pm Eastern Time. Now we'll see if =
everyone gets this at 7:11pm just to make a liar out of me. :-)
>>=20
>> No, you are not imagining things, there can be some long delays in =
mail getting sent out from
>> the server. At the moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly =
software related. The program
>> that translates between IP addresses and names is not responding as =
quickly as it should. And
>> with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are a major =
factor in the Team.Net
>> mailing list software.
>>=20
>> I'm looking into it. Come the spring fund drive I may specifically =
request assistance with a new
>> machine to run the nameserver, the current one is getting a bit long =
in the tooth. Donate
>> early, donate often ;-)
>>=20
>> I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we shall see. =
At least the mail does
>> eventually go through. Using something like =
http://www.team.net/forums would not have
>> this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.
>>=20
>> mjb.
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
propose that we keep our topics about Magnettes, and stop sending =
messages to the Magnette list that only have to do with how the email =
list works. If there are technical problems with the list server, =
send a message to the person in charge of the tech management of the =
list, not to the whole list. If you want to experiment with =
sending pictures or speed tests, do it with people off the =
list.<div><br></div><div>I love all the stuff I learn from you folks =
about Magnettes. But nothing is more boring than a bazillion =
messages about how to use email and the internet and image =
processing.</div><div><br></div><div>--Rick</div><div><br></div><div><div>=
<div><div>On Oct 31, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Gene deRuelle wrote:</div><br =
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J =
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class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, so I responded to two different messages on=20
this list. I sent them three minutes apart. I =
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one from the list about 10-15 minutes later. The other =
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show up for 30-45 minutes. Can anyone explain to me =
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is? What is causing such a long delay? I'm =
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one at 7:10pm Eastern Time. Now we'll see if everyone =
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this at 7:11pm just to make a liar out of me.=20
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style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>No, you are not=20
imagining things, there can be some long delays in mail =
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between IP addresses and names is not responding as quickly as =
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should. And<br>with all the lists and all the addresses =
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software.<br><br>I'm looking into it. Come the spring =
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I may specifically request assistance with a new<br>machine to =
run the=20
nameserver, the current one is getting a bit long in the =
tooth.=20
Donate<br>early, donate often ;-)<br><br>I may be able =
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