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Amen !!!!
Gene deRuelle
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From: Arch Boston=20
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
At the risk of seeing old, which I am, in the grand scheme of things, =
what difference does 15-20-30 minutes mean. I remember air mail taking =
a couple of days --- and that was FAST! Enough about slow transmission. =
If speed was important none of us would be playing with "old slow =
"cars. Arch
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "John Park" <jpark@bmts.com> wrote:
Enough with the list times etc. Reply to the sender only PLEASE!
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:08 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
Fletcher,
Interesting that you got my 8:22 PM note at 8:26. I didn't get it =
until 8:04 this morning! But before I went to bed last night, I =
received Charlie's 9:42 PM note (at 10:03 PM), his 10:04 PM note (at =
10:06 PM), Perkin's 12:42 PM note (at 10:08 PM - over nine hours later), =
and Kurt's 11:28 PM note at 12:08 AM. =20
And your 8:52 PM reply to my note? ' Showed up here at 10:08 this =
morning.
Go figure!
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
And just think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!
This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the =
other night which were 30-45 minutes.
It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be =
tortuous, with stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it =
could be either - or neither - end. Sequential messages do not =
necessarily travel the same route. I expect a fly by night local ISP =
could be a factor in this, as it must interface with a "real" internet =
doofus.
I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later =
than (claimed) sent time - Rock Auto is one.=20
Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?
FRM
On 10/30/2013 8:22 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
I'm seeing erratic response times: some later responses coming =
in hours before some earlier ones. ' Could tolerate the delay much more =
easily if it were consistent. I'm talking delays of much more than =
30-45 minutes. I'll write a reply about this time in the evening and it =
might not show up for 20-24 hours. In the meantime, other replies are =
coming in hours earlier, to questions posed later. Tonight I received =
two or three replies before I received the questions involved. =
Somebody sent in a picture. I have a reply from somebody else who =
reports seeing it, but I haven't received the picture post yet...=20
' Don't think we're there yet...
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
Steven Trovato wrote:
OK, so I responded to two different messages on this list. =
I sent them three minutes apart. I received one from the list about =
10-15 minutes later. The other didn't show up for 30-45 minutes. Can =
anyone explain to me why this is? What is causing such a long delay? =
I'm sending this one at 7:10pm Eastern Time. Now we'll see if everyone =
gets this at 7:11pm just to make a liar out of me. :-)
No, you are not imagining things, there can be some long =
delays in mail getting sent out from
the server. At the moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly =
software related. The program
that translates between IP addresses and names is not =
responding as quickly as it should. And
with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are =
a major factor in the Team.Net
mailing list software.
I'm looking into it. Come the spring fund drive I may =
specifically request assistance with a new
machine to run the nameserver, the current one is getting a =
bit long in the tooth. Donate
early, donate often ;-)
I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we =
shall see. At least the mail does
eventually go through. Using something like =
http://www.team.net/forums would not have
this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.
mjb.
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is? What is causing such a long delay? I'm =
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run the=20
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tooth.=20
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