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Went back to the original email and saw that you did send pictures.=C2=A0 =
It looks like the top half of the oil pump housing is still in the engine b=
lock.=C2=A0 So the problem is probably something inside the oil pump that i=
sn't letting you slide it all the way in.
Look on page 12-55 and 12-56 in the repair manual which will explain how to=
put the pump back together.
Gary
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 01:26:53 PM EDT, Tim Prell <tjprell@gmail.c=
om> wrote: =20
=20
Appreciate the feedback but the problem truly is about this lower unit hou=
sing shifting somehow and not allowing the oil pump rotor shaft to slide up=
and into a corresponding fixed collar where the gear below the distributor=
sits. I have tried to include better pics to illustrate. I have pulled the=
distributor to merely confirm this problem. The rotor shaft should slide u=
p until almost flush with the top of this housing to meet the bottom blade =
of the dizzy gear assembly.
Anyone know how this lower assembly is attached?
Tim
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023, Bruce Stutzman <stutztr4@gmail.com> wrote:
TimIf you haven't already done so, draw a line with a marker down the=C2=A0=
dizzy amd mount so you can put it together as you got it.
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM jerryvvtr4a--- via Wpta <wpta@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And the=
n place the distributor back into the engine.
JVV
=C2=A0
From: Wpta <wpta-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary Fredo via Wpta
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:27 PM
To: WPTA <wpta@autox.team.net>; Tim Prell <tjprell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install
=C2=A0
>From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it should =
slide right in.=C2=A0 It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump out =
of a Spitfire engine.=C2=A0 Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory whi=
ch isn't too good.=C2=A0 Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was move=
d or loosened at the distributor".=C2=A0 Actually you spun the camshaft and=
the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.=C2=A0 I think the oil pump s=
haft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so you =
may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.=C2=
=A0 That's about all I can think of right now.
=C2=A0
Hope that helps.
=C2=A0
Gary=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <wpta@autox=
.team.net> wrote:=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this sp=
ring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and suppor=
t forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for =
better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I rem=
oved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). N=
ow that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil =
pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits i=
nto its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted.=20
I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second open=
ing in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which must be =
blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any ideas =
on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to completely slide int=
o place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor =
- I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers and main plus ro=
d bearings. Some pics attached.
=C2=A0
thanks for feedback (at least serious feedback :-).
=C2=A0
Tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Went back to the original em=
ail and saw that you did send pictures. It looks like the top half of=
the oil pump housing is still in the engine block. So the problem is=
probably something inside the oil pump that isn't letting you slide it all=
the way in.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Look on page 12-55 and 12-56 in the repair m=
anual which will explain how to put the pump back together.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">Gary</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 01:26:53 PM EDT, Tim Prell =
<tjprell@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446"><div>Appreciate t=
he feedback but the problem truly is about this lower unit housing shifting=
somehow and not allowing the oil pump rotor shaft to slide up and into a c=
orresponding fixed collar where the gear below the distributor sits. I have=
tried to include better pics to illustrate. I have pulled the distributor =
to merely confirm this problem. The rotor shaft should slide up until almos=
t flush with the top of this housing to meet the bottom blade of the dizzy =
gear assembly.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone know how this lower assembly=
is attached?</div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div><br>On Wednesday, July 5, 2=
023, Bruce Stutzman <<a href=3D"mailto:stutztr4@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">stutztr4@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=
=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">Tim<div>If you ha=
ven't already done so, draw a line with a marker down the dizzy amd mo=
unt so you can put it together as you got it.</div><div><br></div></div><br=
><div class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=
=AFPM jerryvvtr4a--- via Wpta <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@autox.team.net"; re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">wpta@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_quote=
"><div><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNorm=
al">I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And=
then place the distributor back into the engine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal">JVV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydp=
5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style=3D"=
border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid =
rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446=
MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Wpta <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta-bounces@autox.team.=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">wpta-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>=
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Fredo via Wpta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4, 2=
023 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> WPTA <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@autox.team.net"; r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">wpta@autox.team.net</a>>; Tim Prell &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:tjprell@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">t=
jprell@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pu=
mp install<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv955651744=
6MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv955=
6517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans=
-serif;">From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like i=
t should slide right in. It's been a long time since I've had an oil =
pump out of a Spitfire engine. Probably 30 years so mostly going by m=
emory which isn't too good. Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing=
was moved or loosened at the distributor". Actually you spun the cam=
shaft and the distributor when you spun the crankshaft. I think the o=
il pump shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off cente=
r so you may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to lin=
e up. That's about all I can think of right now.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Hope that helps=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">=
<u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517=
446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-ser=
if;">Gary <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7y=
iv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">On Tuesday, July 4, =
2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">wpta@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv955651=
7446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u> <u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);=
">I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this =
spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and supp=
ort forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(fo=
r better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I r=
emoved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly).=
Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oi=
l pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits=
into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. <u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top:6pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydp5c=
1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:ser=
if;color:rgb(5,5,5);">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor asse=
mbly and a second opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip =
through which must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly sp=
ins easily. Any ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft t=
o completely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosen=
ed at the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust wa=
shers and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);"><u></u> <u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);">thanks for feedb=
ack (at least serious feedback :-).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;fo=
nt-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
4pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);">Tim<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
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